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Offline asmi

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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #50 on: January 08, 2021, 08:52:19 pm »
That's what people really want. That's what Youtube is becoming. In fact it's almost there.
So why are you blaming youtube for being a mirror which simply reflects society we live in for what it really is, not as we want it to be?
It sounds like a classic example of shooting the messenger.

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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2021, 09:27:17 pm »
That's what people really want. That's what Youtube is becoming. In fact it's almost there.
So why are you blaming youtube for being a mirror which simply reflects society we live in for what it really is, not as we want it to be?
It sounds like a classic example of shooting the messenger.

If you actually read my posts, it's clear that I'm the only person here saying that it's NOT Youtube's fault, and those who claim it's the fault of the "big greedy corporation" or their ads or their censorship or whatever are missing the obvious fact that it's the USERS who drive every single thing that Youtube (or any other business) does.

But we humans are absolutely incapable of blaming ourselves, so we point fingers.
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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #52 on: January 08, 2021, 11:05:12 pm »
[...] it's the USERS who drive every single thing that Youtube (or any other business) does. [...]


Profit motive of corporations (including Youtube's owner) has nothing to do with it?
 

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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #53 on: January 08, 2021, 11:13:31 pm »
If they would stop screwing around with the UI and replace it with one that loads fast on browsers other than Chrome I might consider paying for Premium.

Perhaps the coders who did Adobe Flash didn't all retire to the beach like we thought.

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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #54 on: January 08, 2021, 11:44:32 pm »
[...] it's the USERS who drive every single thing that Youtube (or any other business) does. [...]


Profit motive of corporations (including Youtube's owner) has nothing to do with it?

What's the problem with profit motive?? Everyone has it. You have it, or else you wouldn't go to work every day to make money. Every single human on the planet has it. The goal is to get profit so you can pay the bills and hopefully have some $$ left over to buy fun stuff. And we do whatever we can to get more. How is that possibly a bad thing?? Try to get the most you can for the product or service you provide. 

I keep hearing people blaming "greedy corporations" for all kinds of terrible stuff, and then the same people find ways to pay the least amount of taxes to increase their profits. They want to get more pay for the work they do to increase their profits. They want to win the lottery (other peoples' money) to get more money for themselves. They want to pay as little as they can at the department store to increase their profits. They buy cheap stuff from China, where wages are super low and people are poor, so they can increase their profits.

And I guarantee there's not a lot of Youtube employees who complain about Youtube profit motive. It's what keeps them employed and pays their bills and feeds their family and allows them to go on vacation.

Like I say, we humans are absolutely incapable of blaming ourselves so we point fingers at everyone else. 

The hypocrisy is jaw dropping. "Do as I say, not as I do"
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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #55 on: January 09, 2021, 01:49:27 am »
[...] it's the USERS who drive every single thing that Youtube (or any other business) does. [...]


Profit motive of corporations (including Youtube's owner) has nothing to do with it?

What's the problem with profit motive??
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Did I say there was a problem with it?  I am pointing out that there are many motives beyond the concerns of USERS that drive what you see on Youtube.

No casual viewer ever asked for ads to appear, right?

 

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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #56 on: January 09, 2021, 01:54:58 am »
I used to watch a guy who was a really talented software developer. Really good at teaching a software language I wanted to learn. His videos were just that, explaining the language and how it worked. All tech, all educational, writing code.

Then he quit his job and decided to go full time into Youtube. And he decided in order to get decent income he needed to change things drastically. Now instead of how to write code it's videos of him responding to video games, and discussing stuff that is 80% entertainment and only 20% technology and education. Because that's what people want.

Over the years I've seen channel after channel buckle to the desires of their audience for more entertainment and less education and tech. I suspect his next move will be reviewing the latest "ooo, shiny" new hardware like most of the other computer tech channels.

And I'm sure he'll buy a cat. And maybe have his girlfriend join him. And maybe even start doing pranks.

That's what people really want. That's what Youtube is becoming. In fact it's almost there.
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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #57 on: January 09, 2021, 02:20:29 am »
Well, a good example where entertainment is more popular than pure education is the originator of this very forum or ElectroBOOM when compared to, say, w2aew or The Signal Path. Sure, Dave has a lot of knowledge to share, but the funny and iconic style brought him to the forefront of this niche corner of Youtube.
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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #58 on: January 09, 2021, 12:08:13 pm »
[...] it's the USERS who drive every single thing that Youtube (or any other business) does. [...]


Profit motive of corporations (including Youtube's owner) has nothing to do with it?

What's the problem with profit motive??
[...]

Did I say there was a problem with it?  I am pointing out that there are many motives beyond the concerns of USERS that drive what you see on Youtube.

No casual viewer ever asked for ads to appear, right?

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Seems pretty straight forward isn't it? Youtube provides a service to users, just like Netflix or HBO or any one of a thousand services on this planet that are provided to, and directed to customers.

And in order for those services to be successful and provide maximum profit to the providers, the services are designed around the wants and needs of customers. No service provider with half a brain would provide services that nobody is willing to pay for. Just like every product and service on the planet. You find out what your customers want, and design your products and services to meet those wants. 

And what the entire planet is willing to pay for is entertainment and music videos. Even if "pay for" means nothing more than watching advertisements, on the hope that a fraction of watchers will actually buy the product.

You're right, no casual viewer ever asked for ads to appear. Just like nobody strolling down the aisles of WalMart wants price tags on any of the products. But that's not how the world works. You have to pay for stuff. 
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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #59 on: January 09, 2021, 04:19:19 pm »
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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
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I guess it struck me as naive to say that pleasing the customer is the only input (or most important input) to a design process. 

Instead, a product embodies a balance between the need for profit and the need to please the customer (as well as other needs: legal etc.)

So it is perfectly possible to end up with a product that doesn't get the balance right.  I'm sure you can think of many examples.


 

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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #60 on: January 12, 2021, 02:35:49 pm »
Wow... let's recap here....
I don't begrudge ANYONE 'making money'... that's fine!
(Although Dave posted repeatedly about Premier subscriptions etc. ). I, (the OP), only thought that things had
changed, but stated myself that I finally realized that using my 'new' browser without 'uBlock' etc was the 'change'.
I generally don't mind the 'ads', but was wondering how that differentiated from 'Music' videos, which I like to
download & listen to at times. My point being that such 'Music' videos don't seem to be affected this way??   :-+
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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #61 on: January 12, 2021, 04:38:13 pm »
So we entered 2021 and the amount of ads is significantly reduced.
I guess some VP of marketing was going for their quota and their end of year bonus.
 

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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #62 on: January 12, 2021, 10:51:11 pm »
So we entered 2021 and the amount of ads is significantly reduced.
I guess some VP of marketing was going for their quota and their end of year bonus.

Maybe they were experimenting with measuring how many ads it would take to reduce the number of viewers?   There's only one way to find out....
 
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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #63 on: January 12, 2021, 10:53:33 pm »
So we entered 2021 and the amount of ads is significantly reduced.
I guess some VP of marketing was going for their quota and their end of year bonus.
Did the surge just reflect how many advert slots they can sell during the Christmas and New Year period?
 

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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #64 on: February 02, 2021, 07:28:24 am »
Ah, great. Remember search on youtube? Remember the time when searched could be ordered?
Well, forget it. Ordering is gone, all hail the algorithm.
 

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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #65 on: February 02, 2021, 09:55:39 am »
So we entered 2021 and the amount of ads is significantly reduced.
I guess some VP of marketing was going for their quota and their end of year bonus.
Maybe they were experimenting with measuring how many ads it would take to reduce the number of viewers?   There's only one way to find out....

Reminds me of that line from ready Player one where they can fill up to 80% of a users field of view before inducing seizures
 
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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #66 on: February 02, 2021, 10:51:48 am »
Youtube is now a pile of steaming horse shit... and I am full of shit too because I can't stop watching it.

Odysee/LBRY Vimeo are very well done, they deserve more attention.
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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #67 on: February 02, 2021, 02:47:44 pm »
Ah, great. Remember search on youtube? Remember the time when searched could be ordered?
Well, forget it. Ordering is gone, all hail the algorithm.
Ordering is alive and well. If you aren't paying, you aren't the customer. The algorithms are ordering you.
 

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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #68 on: February 16, 2021, 04:49:56 pm »
So we entered 2021 and the amount of ads is significantly reduced.
...
Sold out to the globalists.
They don't need the ads income anymore, or, everything became an ad.
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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #69 on: February 18, 2021, 12:45:56 am »
Since I use my $75 a month Canadian 'unlimited' cell plan for EVERYTHING, 3 weeks of the month I am stuck with 57Kb/s download speeds. For this reason I have no choice but to use youtube-dl,  so I hope it continues working. I do have ad blocker anyway, but I never really 'watch' youtube. I mostly just say youtube-dl -f 22 which gives me a 720p video. This is good anyway because I like to leave a little room left at the top of the screen to see if I get new messages. Funny thing is youtube does not know I watched stuff so it continues to try to give it to me. I really should not be mentioning this, but the bottom line is the data link is active more of the time but per day I am putting through the same amount of data. What this means is I see things a bit later than I would have with good internet, it is a bit sluggish to browse, and I can't do live interaction. Also I could have just connected my phone to my computer using usb. I do have 2 computers and also another one low power one I use to download overnight sometimes. So I modded an ASUS RT-56U router to openwrt and installed the iphone usb connection stuff. In the end I decided to bridge the physical lan to the usb link instead of NAT. I did this to eliminate a NAT step. The router NAT uses the router cpu which slows things down opening new connections. This means my network is basically on the phone's personal hotspot segment. Doing this is good also because you can put your computers in standby and then later resume them without reconnecting your phone. Also being on the phone segment allows you to mount window shares and push things easy in and out of an iphone to the computers.
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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #70 on: February 18, 2021, 02:18:03 am »
There is so many good stuff out there, highly educational and creative. Not many platforms offer the same level of variety and amount of content.

You realize that people aren't interested in "educational and creative", right? They want video games where they can sit for hours shooting guys' heads off. Or, worse yet, spend hours watching SOMEBODY ELSE play video games. They'll gladly pay a monthly fee for Netflix and HBO subscriptions and not blink an eye. But "educational"? Not even on the radar. Spend 5 seconds watching an ad in a Youtube video so the creator gets 0.1 micro-cents? No freakin' way.

You are totally missing my point. Doesn't matter what other people are interested in, or what the most popular topic is for the day. It's about you having a choice, seeking out content you want, and ignoring the rest. There is a search engine which lets you do that. Educational channels are out there, you just have to find it by topic. It's not hard.
 

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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #71 on: February 20, 2021, 10:44:28 am »
Youtube is now a pile of steaming horse shit... and I am full of shit too because I can't stop watching it.
Odysee/LBRY Vimeo are very well done, they deserve more attention.

I watch Odysee every day now.
 

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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #72 on: February 20, 2021, 11:57:37 am »
I just loved that cat part...

Alas any youtuber  just need to put a cat somewhere

ad bingo.   (pun intended)

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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #73 on: February 22, 2021, 02:59:40 pm »
Not surprisingly the Youtube Algorithm has become so complicated that some people find loopholes to get their content promoted. For example with the new "shorts" feature you can get a channel to a million subscribers in just a month without putting too much effort into it. This is really crazy. And all this of course pollutes search results when you are actually looking for interesting content.



But that's an interesting problem. Youtube used to be good to propose new content to me that was relevant to what I liked. On Odysee I can find content from creators I know allready but the site is not very good at proposing relevant new content. It must be difficult to design an algorithm that can be both good at proposing new content at that can't be abused by people that just want quick views.
 

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Re: Is YouTube changing???
« Reply #74 on: March 16, 2021, 07:43:12 pm »
I watch quite a bit of YT stuff and have never given them any money at all but lately I have seen something to raise my eyebrows.

About 3 months ago YT started acting strange by refusing to accept any comment I may make on any video "error returned", etc. and when loading the list of suggestions it would not load past the first screen.  I also have an account with PayPal and streaming sites Netflix and Acorn and about the same time they refused to play for me.  It took a while but I eventually found that the special credit card I use for them had expired about the same time and I hadn't activated the replacement.  Yet those channels continued to make charges against the card and I continued to pay them.  Oh well, I made a big deal of it only to Acorn and to their credit they gave me 3 months of free service to please me.

Then after 95 days of this I finally activated the new card and wouldn't you know that on the very same day all problems went away including the YT-related issues!  Huh?  So how does YT fit into this arrangement?  As far as I know I haven't given them a nickle and never will.
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