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Re: ISP blocking Chinese websites WTF!
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2023, 12:45:50 am »
At this point I'm just going to get Starlink.  I don't see Musk blocking educational kit vendors.

That depends whether they agree with his politics or dare to share a dissenting opinion.
 

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Re: ISP blocking Chinese websites WTF!
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2023, 01:12:05 am »
Two different supervisors at the ISP said it was deliberate blocking and there was no appeal from this policy.
 

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Re: ISP blocking Chinese websites WTF!
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2023, 01:43:10 am »
How exactly would they block it if you don't use their DNS and use HTTPS?

And what ISP is that? How did you even manage to get to supervisors?
« Last Edit: April 12, 2023, 01:44:59 am by ataradov »
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Re: ISP blocking Chinese websites WTF!
« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2023, 02:24:09 am »

To deliver a packet there must be an address which is readable by all the routers.   There is *NO* possible way to encrypt the IP addresses.  You can and should encrypt the contents, but encrypting the address is simply not possible.

Tor will obfuscate them, but with sufficient skill has been shown to be transparent if you have sufficient access and capacity to process all the intercepts.

Bottom line is I'm not giving Optimum (nee Suddenlink) any more money.  All call centers have "supervisors".  On rare occasions I've encountered people who understood the nuts and bolts of IP routing.  Maybe twice.
 

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Re: ISP blocking Chinese websites WTF!
« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2023, 02:29:53 am »
If they really block by IP, then VPN would work, no need for Tor. And if ISP is that stupid, then VPN is a must anyway. But the real long term solution is to switch ISPs, which in the US is a bit of a pain.

LOL, they also try to upsell you McAfee. Run, as fast as you can.

It looks like they are only available in the NY area. Never heard of them, hope to never hear of them again.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2023, 02:33:04 am by ataradov »
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Re: ISP blocking Chinese websites WTF!
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2023, 04:48:35 am »

3. most ChiCom sites are monitored by the CCP


Since you carry French's flag, and with recent Macron's visit to Xi, now, your internet traffic to the evil chicom is an exempt from monitoring.  :-DD  >:D

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Re: ISP blocking Chinese websites WTF!
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2023, 05:04:58 am »
I personally use Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1, which is consistently one of the fastest in my location. But there are many other public DNS servers out there.

Psstt ... the glorious Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 DNS, "shield you"  :-DD from the super duper evil "Russia" sites, like the "villain" RT.COM and few others.

You're now safe and must be nice to be censo  ... errr ... I mean, "protected" from the evil.  >:D

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Re: ISP blocking Chinese websites WTF!
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2023, 05:08:56 am »
"villain" RT.COM and few others.
I have no issues accessing RT. Works just fine.  I have no issues accessing any Russian sites I need to access.
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Re: ISP blocking Chinese websites WTF!
« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2023, 05:26:42 am »
I get an error when going to     https://elegoo.com/

There was a problem loading this website
Try refreshing the page.
If the site still doesn't load, please try again in a few minutes.

But not if I use    https://www.elegoo.com/

I have seen this behavior many times before


For elegoo.com a tracert resolves to this elegoo.com    myshopify.com [23.227.38.65]

Or for www.elegoo.com   I get     shops.myshopify.com [23.227.38.74]


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Re: ISP blocking Chinese websites WTF!
« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2023, 05:48:52 am »

are you sure you pressed the right button?
 

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Re: ISP blocking Chinese websites WTF!
« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2023, 08:38:47 am »
Psstt ... the glorious Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 DNS, "shield you"  :-DD from the super duper evil "Russia" sites, like the "villain" RT.COM and few others.
Nah, they only ban exotic fruit farming forums.

Code: [Select]
$ host rt.com
Host rt.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)   <--- thank EU for this

$ host rt.com 1.1.1.1
Using domain server:
Name: 1.1.1.1
Address: 1.1.1.1#53
Aliases:

rt.com has address 91.215.41.4

BTW, elegoo.com and www.elegoo.com work here, though one of them gives some weird response from the server. But the connection is established OK.

Both domains resolve to Cloudflare and Shopify and as noted before, it would be weird that OP's ISP would block some random IPs from those companies.
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Re: ISP blocking Chinese websites WTF!
« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2023, 09:22:26 am »
From Romania, also EU and common border with Ukraine, just like Poland has:
Code: [Select]
$ host rt.com
rt.com has address 81.196.9.130

$ host rt.com 1.1.1.1
Using domain server:
Name: 1.1.1.1
Address: 1.1.1.1#53
Aliases:

rt.com has address 91.215.41.4
rt.com mail is handled by 10 aspmx.l.google.com.
rt.com mail is handled by 30 aspmx5.googlemail.com.
rt.com mail is handled by 20 alt1.aspmx.l.google.com.
rt.com mail is handled by 20 alt2.aspmx.l.google.com.
rt.com mail is handled by 30 aspmx2.googlemail.com.
rt.com mail is handled by 30 aspmx3.googlemail.com.
rt.com mail is handled by 30 aspmx4.googlemail.com.

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Re: ISP blocking Chinese websites WTF!
« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2023, 12:00:25 pm »
Code: [Select]
$ host rt.com
rt.com has address 81.196.9.130

$ host rt.com 1.1.1.1
rt.com has address 91.215.41.4

81.196.8.0/23 is RCS & RDS Business, while 91.215.40.0/22 is DDOS-GUARD LTD.
 
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Re: ISP blocking Chinese websites WTF!
« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2023, 12:29:53 pm »
Code: [Select]
$ host rt.com
rt.com has address 81.196.9.130

$ host rt.com 1.1.1.1
rt.com has address 91.215.41.4

81.196.8.0/23 is RCS & RDS Business, while 91.215.40.0/22 is DDOS-GUARD LTD.

Tons of EU countries are blocked from accessing the evil RT.COM, this to protect the innocent citizens from being exposed to the truth ... errr ... devil propagandas.  And the people also are not smart enough yet. :-DD

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Re: ISP blocking Chinese websites WTF!
« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2023, 12:59:41 pm »
Thankfully in Australia, we have net neutrality, at least for the most part. Government blocks on website is not a thing, rather it's on an optional basis. Some ISPs go along with it (to "protect the children"), many don't and there are no penalties for it. And unless you're living in a private housing development with some third-party fibre connection (and no access to the National Broadband Network), you literally have a choice of any ISP, anywhere in the country. There is not really such a thing as "one company owns the lines" and therefore has the monopoly in a particular geographic area.

I consider traffic shaping part of net neutrality as well, some providers will give certain traffic lower priority on it's network (such as torrents) while others don't bother since they recognise it's not up to the provider to determine what traffic is "more important" to their customers. I can see why some providers (like satellite or wireless) might do it, since it's a very finite and shared medium, but there is no real reason to do it on fixed wire connections.
 

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Re: ISP blocking Chinese websites WTF!
« Reply #40 on: April 12, 2023, 01:50:14 pm »
Code: [Select]
$ host rt.com
rt.com has address 81.196.9.130

$ host rt.com 1.1.1.1
rt.com has address 91.215.41.4

81.196.8.0/23 is RCS & RDS Business, while 91.215.40.0/22 is DDOS-GUARD LTD.

Tons of EU countries are blocked from accessing the evil RT.COM, this to protect the innocent citizens from being exposed to the truth ... errr ... devil propagandas.  And the people also are not smart enough yet. :-DD

Doh, I didn't check any further, sorry.  Now I've tried to open rt.com, and it doesn't work.  :o
Firefox says wrong certificate, while Brave says this:

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Your connection is not private
Attackers might be trying to steal your information from rt.com (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards). Learn more
NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID
rt.com normally uses encryption to protect your information. When Brave tried to connect to rt.com this time, the website sent back unusual and incorrect credentials. This may happen when an attacker is trying to pretend to be rt.com, or a Wi-Fi sign-in screen has interrupted the connection. Your information is still secure because Brave stopped the connection before any data was exchanged.

You cannot visit rt.com right now because the website uses HSTS. Network errors and attacks are usually temporary, so this page will probably work later.

Brave at least gives one hope, "page will probably work later".  ;D

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Re: ISP blocking Chinese websites WTF!
« Reply #41 on: April 12, 2023, 01:59:12 pm »
When it comes to internet checking against censoring .... protection against evil propaganda  :-DD , you DO NOT need to prove with elite command line stuff, its lame.

Just fire up your browser, type in the web site, if its working, it is working, as simple as that.

Tip&tricks from internet maha guru.  >:D

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Re: ISP blocking Chinese websites WTF!
« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2023, 02:41:15 pm »
Thankfully in Australia, we have net neutrality, at least for the most part. Government blocks on website is not a thing, rather it's on an optional basis. Some ISPs go along with it (to "protect the children"), many don't and there are no penalties for it.

In Germany we have a simple DNS based 'blocking' of a few websites which fall into three categories. One is hardcore illegal stuff (child abuse), the next is massive copyright infringement (managed by an organization of ISPs and media corps, or by court judgments), and the last is dangerous content (currenty some Russion media as part of the sanctions).

I consider traffic shaping part of net neutrality as well, some providers will give certain traffic lower priority on it's network (such as torrents) while others don't bother since they recognise it's not up to the provider to determine what traffic is "more important" to their customers. I can see why some providers (like satellite or wireless) might do it, since it's a very finite and shared medium, but there is no real reason to do it on fixed wire connections.

Absolutely! However, it's a bit more complex as we need some traffic engineering for specific purposes. For example, all routing related things (routing protocols and other important stuff) get the highest priority by default, because they are needed to keep the network running. Another example is VoIP which also requires some prioritization for obvious reasons. If you're a carrier/ISP/telco you might have to adhere to SLAs.
 

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Re: ISP blocking Chinese websites WTF!
« Reply #43 on: April 12, 2023, 02:51:08 pm »
... dangerous content (currenty some Russion media as part of the sanctions).

Just curious how dangerous those evil Russia medias are, is it like, once you read just few sentences, or even words in there, as the bad brainwash magic is so strong, then suddenly you will have strange, fuzzy feeling inside, and you become Putin's shill ?  :-//

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Re: ISP blocking Chinese websites WTF!
« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2023, 03:46:17 pm »

are you sure you pressed the right button?

I wanted orange!
 

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Re: ISP blocking Chinese websites WTF!
« Reply #45 on: April 12, 2023, 04:13:27 pm »
Code: [Select]
$ host rt.com
rt.com has address 81.196.9.130

$ host rt.com 1.1.1.1
rt.com has address 91.215.41.4

81.196.8.0/23 is RCS & RDS Business, while 91.215.40.0/22 is DDOS-GUARD LTD.

Tons of EU countries are blocked from accessing the evil RT.COM, this to protect the innocent citizens from being exposed to the truth ... errr ... devil propagandas.  And the people also are not smart enough yet. :-DD

Doh, I didn't check any further, sorry.  Now I've tried to open rt.com, and it doesn't work.  :o
Firefox says wrong certificate, while Brave says this:

You can connect over HTTP to the IP directly and it shows a message, I presume it's something along the lines of "access unathorized by decision of Whatever Administration for Communication and Stuff". Is this what Romanian looks like?

http://81.196.9.130/

I suppose you would see the same if you forced unencrypted HTTP conneciton to RT.com.

edit
I can connect just fine from here if I bypass the DNS fuckery 8)
« Last Edit: April 12, 2023, 04:17:24 pm by magic »
 

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Re: ISP blocking Chinese websites WTF!
« Reply #46 on: April 12, 2023, 04:39:36 pm »
I consider traffic shaping part of net neutrality as well, some providers will give certain traffic lower priority on it's network (such as torrents) while others don't bother since they recognise it's not up to the provider to determine what traffic is "more important" to their customers. I can see why some providers (like satellite or wireless) might do it, since it's a very finite and shared medium, but there is no real reason to do it on fixed wire connections.

Absolutely! However, it's a bit more complex as we need some traffic engineering for specific purposes. For example, all routing related things (routing protocols and other important stuff) get the highest priority by default, because they are needed to keep the network running. Another example is VoIP which also requires some prioritization for obvious reasons. If you're a carrier/ISP/telco you might have to adhere to SLAs.

This is not traffic shaping, it's blocking, Halcyon, it's censoring.  Don't try to deflect the facts by twisting/stretching/redefining the meaning of words.

Cutting and limiting communication was one of the pillars during Ceausescu regime, here, in Romania, some 30-40 years ago.  West is doing the same now.  I've seen this before.  Wasn't fun, and didn't end well.

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Re: ISP blocking Chinese websites WTF!
« Reply #47 on: April 12, 2023, 04:45:28 pm »

You can connect over HTTP to the IP directly and it shows a message, I presume it's something along the lines of "access unathorized by decision of Whatever Administration for Communication and Stuff". Is this what Romanian looks like?

http://81.196.9.130/

I suppose you would see the same if you forced unencrypted HTTP conneciton to RT.com.

edit
I can connect just fine from here if I bypass the DNS fuckery 8)

Doesn't work from here, I get a webpage with this Romanian text:
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Acces neautorizat

Accesul dumneavoastră către acest site a fost restricționat în baza Deciziei Preşedintelui Autorităţii Naţionale pentru Administrare şi Reglementare în Comunicaţii nr.145/2021

Which translates to "Unauthorized Access (title).   Your access to this site was restricted based on Decision of the President of the National Authority for Administering and Regulations of Telecommunications - decision number 145/2021"

No idea what 145/2021 is, and don't want to know.  I don't care to read rt.com, I was never reading that anyway, but I do care about censorship.
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Re: ISP blocking Chinese websites WTF!
« Reply #48 on: April 12, 2023, 05:02:45 pm »
It seems to mean that 144 domains have already been blocked in Romania by the early March (which is, IIRC, when the eurosoyuz ban on RT came into effect).

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Wait, 2021? :o
Either it was banned before the war for some reason or the numbers don't mean what I think they do.
Meh, whatever.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2023, 05:07:16 pm by magic »
 

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« Reply #49 on: April 12, 2023, 05:04:27 pm »
Meanwhile I've searched with Google for the text of that Romanian decision from 2021.  There is nowhere online, and I'm not the only one that couldn't find Decizia 145/2021:  https://www.reddit.com/r/Romania/comments/i7qblc/jos_cenzura_sau_ce/

And this is the official list of decisions from 2021, where I see no 145/2021
https://www.cdep.ro/pls/legis/legis_pck.lista_anuala?an=2021&emi=5,362&tip=17&rep=0
« Last Edit: April 12, 2023, 05:06:18 pm by RoGeorge »
 


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