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| bd139:
--- Quote from: bw2341 on June 26, 2022, 09:30:49 pm --- --- Quote from: bd139 on June 26, 2022, 05:29:32 pm ---Well that's where windows and macOS diverge. Looking at a 27" display you need UI furniture and text to be roughly the right size based on the display size. The problems are this: 4k native -> everything too small 4k 2x scaling -> everything too big 4x 1.5x scaling -> everything right size but too blurry 5k 2x scaling -> just right I wouldn't say it's 3x what your eyes can pick out. It's very very obvious the difference if you sit in front of a 5k display versus a 4k display for all of the above cases. Chuck in decent dynamic range, colour calibration and there's a winning combination. Apple are the only supplier shipping 5k 27" which is super super popular with anyone doing graphical work (and programming now) because it's the sweet spot. --- End quote --- Okay, I think I know what you are going on about. As far as I know, Mac and Windows uses different compromises for non-integer scaling. I only use Windows and text is sharp down to the individual pixel on my 4K display using 1.25x scaling. The problem is that some older programs render incorrectly. They either do not scale at all leaving the text too small to see or they use an ugly uneven-looking non-integer scaling of bitmap images. From what I've read on the Mac, people are reporting very different results with 4K displays. Some people have sharp text while others have unacceptably blurry text. It might even depend on the particular display and how Apple interprets the EDID. As far as I know, the ideal behaviour on a Mac for 1.5 scaling to 27 inch 4K is to render at 3x 2560x1440 and then scale 0.5x with anti-aliasing to 4K. There should be no rendering defects, but it seems to me that the text would be blurrier than on Windows. --- End quote --- My 4K 27" was one of the less blurry ones and I think it scaled it as you suggested. The worst thing of all, which was complete cancer was Linux. That just shit itself every 5 seconds. After being pissed off with this for far too long I just bought something that worked properly and have zero regrets. |
| tom66:
I have my 4K monitor set at 125% scaling which seems ideal. Scaling, on Windows at least, doesn't affect pixel-precision graphics like Windows GDI elements or CSS borders at 1px or similar. It only really alters the size of GUI elements and the font size. Since all good fonts have a proper hinting setup, you shouldn't notice arbitrary scaling unless you're using crap fonts. It's pretty smooth and continuous on Windows, even though it has a fairly pedestrian font engine. I think OS X will use FreeType (and/or Core Text for Apple-specific apps) which is very good indeed - supporting all sorts of new advanced hinting algorithms including ones that run as mini-programs inside the font. |
| PlainName:
I had a 4K monitor scaled to 125%. Or 150%. Neither were particularly good, and those apps aware of high DPI just made their windows and text bigger. What the hell is the point of paying for 4K pixels when everything scales them to an effective 2K? So I dumped it and got a 43" 4K instead, and run eveything with no scaling at all. Result: huge amount of work space with readable text and great graphics. Which is what I bought the thing for in the first place. Honest, having high DPI and then having to scale is like getting Bugatti Veyron and then shoving in a low-ratio gearbox. |
| TomKatt:
Ironically, the more technology advances in the ability to present ever higher "resolution", the more consumers appear to value convenience over functionality... You have to go out of your way to purchase any kind of real "hi-res" audio these days... Streaming has made lossy compression the norm. Likewise, there is barely any volume of 4K visual media available, let alone 8K and higher. Not to mention phone sized gadgets are probably the predominant viewing devices. It's kind of depressing. |
| bd139:
To be fair the phone as a bigger screen than my TV at the viewing distance. Also it’s OLED HDR unlike the TV. As for convenience over functionality, I’d rather have less functions that actually work properly. We live in a glorious world of cool stuff. It’s not depressing :) |
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