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bd139:
Indeed. You can actually shoot raw on my phone which is interesting. It doesn’t apply any processing at all so I can control the NR in lightroom. Very handy when I don’t fancy lugging my mirrorless around.
themadhippy:

--- Quote ---Ask the Who’s who of pop about Peter, that’s if you know who they are
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i will next time i see my mate lee's dad
tooki:

--- Quote from: eti on June 19, 2022, 09:52:09 am ---I’ll take his word on film being best, apart from it being my own informed view too. Colour range of natural substances cannot be anywhere NEAR “emulated” by pixels.

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:-DD :-DD :-DD :-DD

You are apparently unaware that essentially every movie made in the past 20-30 years or so is edited digitally, even if it was shot and distributed on film?

Digital is perfectly capable of capturing any color space we want. Whether a particular standard can do so is a different question.

So… I take issue with your claim of being “informed” because you are very obviously not. You’re apparently completely unaware of things like sampling theory, color spaces, as well as the capabilities and limitations of film. I’m not even saying you need to be an expert on those things (I’m not), but you need to know that they exist and the basics of what they say.
thinkfat:

--- Quote from: bd139 on June 19, 2022, 09:27:18 am ---But it was shot in 14-bit RAW which meant the sky could be pulled back out again



Try doing that with an enlarger and some colour paper...

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The real point is that you can argue about physics until the world implodes but you can take really damn good photos with a potato if you know what you are doing. And good is subjective and not related to physics at all. I've printed stuff out of my old 6MP D70 fairly large and it looked great.

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Well, dodging and burning wasn't invented by Adobe for Photoshop. You can sure pull off something like that with an enlarger and masks. Negative film has an amazing amount of dynamic range. It's just more difficult to exploit when you actually print because the medium you print on has much less.

Color slide film, on the other hand, is much denser and much more range limited, more "digital", so to say. But, boy, do the colors pop!

But lets face it, the world has moved to digital, and while it's possible to digitize film, it is far from convenient. It's an endless battle with color profiles, dust, getting the film flat so that the scanner can digitize it in focus, not damaging the film while handling it, etc. And with modern sensors, dynamic range is much less of a problem. High resolution is much easier to achieve, too. Even with a half-decent flat-bed scanner (Epson V330 class), getting more than 6 Megapixels from a 35mm negative is difficult. You can probably do better, but you cannot do better for cheap. And you need to digitize, because approximately nobody cares for prints nowadays.

And that's why a blanket "film is better than digital" is nonsense. Yes, negative film has a certain appeal and certainly an advantage over digital in certain (constantly diminishing) use cases, but it takes dedication, time and expensive equipment to exploit that advantage.
voltsandjolts:

--- Quote from: james_s on June 09, 2022, 06:44:54 pm ---The TV manufactures should have realized that once everyone already has a thin flat TV there is absolutely NOTHING that can be offered on a new set that will replicate that kind of sales volume.

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Well, there is the prospect of tv 'goggles', 3D ones, which has yet to really take off. The room sizes of new housing in the UK is pitiful, because land owners and developers need to make themselves rich. At least with goggles, I can lie back against the wall, put my feet on the opposing wall and still get a big cinema screen experience  :o
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