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Hello Community,

I just launched my Electronic Components Store, Juried Engineering and need the Communities Guidance on Shipping. When a customer views a component in the store, currently the component is priced to include the cost of shipping. Should I price the components without shipping and have shipping calculated at checkout? What do you feel is more appealing? Thank you for you thoughts!

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I think you should put a few precise parts in the AtD and Amplifiers section, because what you have there is not appealing enough over using the internal components of an arduino. You covered the massively parallel data but not the precise data that way, it seems you only focused on parts good for making like a DAQ. There are some 12, 16  and beyond DIP AD converters that are easy to use.

I would add 2 op amps, one that has high impedance, and one that has low noise.
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I think you should put a few precise parts in the AtD and Amplifiers section, because what you have there is not appealing enough over using the internal components of an arduino. You can cover the massively parallel data and precise data that way, it seems you only focused on parts good for making like a DAQ. There are some 12, 16  and beyond DIP AD converters that are easy to use.

??? I am adding thousands of components, to include various AD converters. My question is in regards on pricing structure. Should I include the price of shipping with the component, or keep them seperate. For instance should I have a BZX79C3V9 for $0.10 + Shipping OR $5.29 Including Shipping. https://juriedengineering.com/collections/diodes/products/copy-of-bzx79c15-bzx79-c15-industrial-grade-15v-zener-diode-500-mw-do-35-case-5-tolerance-2-pins-200-c-max-operating-temperature
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you have a 10 bit AD converter, the same as internal to most micros. Put a 12 or 16 bit converter there so people can experiment with high resolution data capture. Then anyone with an ardunio can get a 'upgrade' instead of thinking 'well its on my chip already, I don't need more channels right now'.

24 bits is hard and specialized, but 16 is achievable and mostly unavailable. I think you need to figure out why people would buy those parts instead of onboard peripherals. 8 bit internal ADC is starting to get old, most stuff is getting 10 or 12 bits now, so that 10 bit chip is no longer a good upgrade that offers appealing capabilities to build a circuit with a external 10 bit ADC. Having tons of I/O is not that common, I think alot of people only want to play with one sensor.

Almost everyone is going to be playing with arduinos. It's like hotrodding IMO.
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you have a 10 bit AD converter, the same as internal to most micros. Put a 12 or 16 bit converter there so people can experiment with high resolution data capture. Then anyone with an ardunio can get a 'upgrade' instead of thinking 'well its on my chip already, I don't need more channels right now'.

24 bits is hard and specialized, but 16 is achievable and mostly unavailable. I think you need to figure out why people would buy those parts instead of onboard peripherals. 8 bit internal ADC is starting to get old, most stuff is getting 10 or 12 bits now, so its not longer a good upgrade that offers appealing capabilities to build a circuit with a external 10 bit ADC.

Almost everyone is going to be playing with arduinos.

I am adding thousands of components, to include various AD converters. My question is in regards to pricing structure. Should I include the price of shipping with the component, or keep them seperate. For instance should I have a BZX79C3V9 for $0.10 + Shipping OR $5.29 Including Shipping. https://juriedengineering.com/collections/diodes/products/copy-of-bzx79c15-bzx79-c15-industrial-grade-15v-zener-diode-500-mw-do-35-case-5-tolerance-2-pins-200-c-max-operating-temperature
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I think I need to see a much bigger sample size to make a decision because saving on shipping is great and sometimes you can take a little hit here or there and still make a buy appealing, but maybe others can offer better advice.
 

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Agreed. A community consensus would be great. Would it be more appealing to see a listing for a 100 pack of Authentic Brand name 1N4001 for $8.00 + $5.29 Shipping = $13.29 or see the item listed as "100 Pack of 1N4001" for $13.29 and potentially be confused if shipping is included.
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Including shipping means you massively overpay for shipping multiple items.

Shipping 2 packs of 100 diodes doesn't cost double the price of shipping 1 pack.

For my NZ domestic customers I have a flat rate shipping with just a few excepted products, I don't care if you buy a 50c switch, or a kilogram of stuff, one shipping price.  Win on most, lose on some.

For in international customers I use an order weight estimate (all my items have associated weights, so just a matter of totalling and adding some fudge factor for packaging and rate changes), and then calculate based off that.
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Including shipping means you massively overpay for shipping multiple items.

Shipping 2 packs of 100 diodes doesn't cost double the price of shipping 1 pack.

In that case, you would select a quantity of "2" and the shipping would be combine. But I see your point, if Shipping is included, you would overpay on multiple quantities of listings on "1" component.
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Edit: I didn't notice you had acknowledged my point, or maybe caught it between edits.

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In that case, you would select a quantity of "2" and the shipping would be combine. But I see your point, if Shipping is included, you would overpay on multiple quantities of listings on "1" component.

Yeah but not when you are burying the shipping price in your products, as you are.

I just checked it out on your site, this 1 pack of 100 1N4001 is 17.49, 2 packs is 34.98, so yeah, paying exactly double, which means that the shipping hidden in that price is exactly double, not combined down.

That's what I mean, if you hide shipping in your prices then your customers overpay shipping if they buy more than a single unit of a single line item.

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In that case, you would select a quantity of "2" and the shipping would be combine. But I see your point, if Shipping is included, you would overpay on multiple quantities of listings on "1" component.

Yeah but not when you are burying the shipping price in your products, as you are.

I just checked it out on your site, this 1 pack of 100 1N4001 is 17.49, 2 packs is 34.98, so yeah, paying exactly double, which means that the shipping hidden in that price is exactly double, not combined down.

That's what I mean, if you hide shipping in your prices then your customers overpay shipping if they buy more than a single unit of a single line item.

Point taken and accepted. I am literally changing the pricing structure, as we speak, as I want to offer the absolute best value, to the customer, for authentic, genuine brand name components.
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I believe that shipping should be calculated at checkout based on all items and not included in price, for my 2 cents.

Otherwise, I checked out your site and have thoughts on that as well. I tried searching for 1000 uF electrolytic capacitor, 1000 uF capacitor and got resistors as result ( I need to order some 1000 uF caps). Also, from a website perspective, you never want to put your phone number, 954) 300-905, in plain text because you will get inundated with scams and cold sales calls. The phone number should be a bitmap or jpeg. Robots are looking for phone numbers by the millions. Also, if you intend to sell worldwide, you need to add your country code to phone number (such as 1-(954) 300-905).

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 :palm: I guess spell check wasn’t working that day. Out of basic principle, I avoid any online vendor that overuses adjectives to describe their core business. Especially so for banners with typos in said adjectives.

IMO, shipping cost buried in the unit price is a complete deal breaker for any online sale. Even eBay fixed that years and years ago. Any $50 eCommerce template supports cart shipping weights and dimensions.

 

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:palm: I guess spell check wasn’t working that day. Out of basic principle, I avoid any online vendor that overuses adjectives to describe their core business. Especially so for banners with typos in said adjectives.

IMO, shipping cost buried in the unit price is a complete deal breaker for any online sale. Even eBay fixed that years and years ago. Any $50 eCommerce template supports cart shipping weights and dimensions.



All good points. I am in the process of unburing shipping and will work on the banner.
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I believe that shipping should be calculated at checkout based on all items and not included in price, for my 2 cents.

Otherwise, I checked out your site and have thoughts on that as well. I tried searching for 1000 uF electrolytic capacitor, 1000 uF capacitor and got resistors as result ( I need to order some 1000 uF caps). Also, from a website perspective, you never want to put your phone number, 954) 300-905, in plain text because you will get inundated with scams and cold sales calls. The phone number should be a bitmap or jpeg. Robots are looking for phone numbers by the millions. Also, if you intend to sell worldwide, you need to add your country code to phone number (such as 1-(954) 300-905).

Just my 2 cents...

Ahh, yes, another good point. I will make this changes!
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Including shipping makes no sense as you have no idea what else people will be ordering at the same time, sharing the shipping cost. For small items like components, the ship cost can be the same for 1x as 100x
It just makes your parts look ludicrously overpriced, so people may take one look and disregard your whole website. e.g. I saw 1x MC34063A at about 20x the Digikey 1-off price
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You have the 74HC14, but I think you should consider stocking the CD4093. You can use the four NAND gates in the 4093 as Schmitt trigger inverters but being NAND gates they lend themselves to more versatile operation.

For instance, here are some collections of 4093-based projects:

https://www.amazon.com/CMOS-Projects-Experiments-Integrated-Investigator-ebook/dp/B009O8KZ6I

https://www.electroschematics.com/tag/4093-circuits/
 

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Genuine question - why would someone want to buy from you instead of Digikey, Mouser etc.?

And though multiple images can sometimes be useful on things like connectors, is it really necessary to show TEN different images of an 8-pin DIP ? Could your time not be better spent elsewhere ?

https://juriedengineering.com/collections/dc-to-dc-converters/products/mc34063a-mc34063-buck-boost-inverting-regulator-new-ic?variant=33113029378111

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Including shipping makes no sense as you have no idea what else people will be ordering at the same time, sharing the shipping cost. For small items like components, the ship cost can be the same for 1x as 100x
It just makes your parts look ludicrously overpriced, so people may take one look and disregard your whole website. e.g. I saw 1x MC34063A at about 20x the Digikey 1-off price

I agree and am making the necessary changes, as we speak. Thanks.
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Genuine question - why would someone want to buy from you instead of Digikey, Mouser etc.?

And though multiple images can sometimes be useful on things like connectors, is it really necessary to show TEN different images of an 8-pin DIP ? Could your time not be better spent elsewhere ?

https://juriedengineering.com/collections/dc-to-dc-converters/products/mc34063a-mc34063-buck-boost-inverting-regulator-new-ic?variant=33113029378111

Point taken on the pictures, people like to see what they buy so more is better was the thought process.

Why buy from us rather than the big guys? There are times where we can come in less expensive, on orders, when you include the price of shipping the big guys charge. Not all the time, but sometimes, due to our lower overhead.
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You have the 74HC14, but I think you should consider stocking the CD4093. You can use the four NAND gates in the 4093 as Schmitt trigger inverters but being NAND gates they lend themselves to more versatile operation.

For instance, here are some collections of 4093-based projects:

https://www.amazon.com/CMOS-Projects-Experiments-Integrated-Investigator-ebook/dp/B009O8KZ6I

https://www.electroschematics.com/tag/4093-circuits/

Your right! But I do... https://juriedengineering.com/products/cd4093be-cd4093-cmos-quad-2-input-nand-schmitt-triggers-1?_pos=1&_sid=f90c18724&_ss=r
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perhaps a glass tube fuse will not be shipped in a kilogram of ESD safe plastic. Acceptable for anyone but the atomic energy commission. Perhaps the plating can be violated by a strong shock and cause corrosion, reducing the life time of a part, but it will likely exceed 10 estate sales before the damage can propagate, causing a switch replacement to occur in Neo Silicon Valley II hobby garage.

It makes me wonder if that is a thing, worrying about ESD discharge on connectors and electromechanical devices. It does seem like a complete solution but how much waste is attributed to it?
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perhaps a glass tube fuse will not be shipped in a kilogram of ESD safe plastic. Acceptable for anyone but the atomic energy commission. Perhaps the plating can be violated by a strong shock and cause corrosion, reducing the life time of a part, but it will likely exceed 10 estate sales before the damage can propagate, causing a switch replacement to occur in Neo Silicon Valley II hobby garage.

It makes me wonder if that is a thing, worrying about ESD discharge on connectors and electromechanical devices. It does seem like a complete solution but how much waste is attributed to it?

Hey, what can I say, were over-achievers here.  ;) 55% done with removal of shipping!
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Some 16 hrs later........ Everything has been repriced.  |O
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I believe that shipping should be calculated at checkout based on all items and not included in price, for my 2 cents.

Otherwise, I checked out your site and have thoughts on that as well. I tried searching for 1000 uF electrolytic capacitor, 1000 uF capacitor and got resistors as result ( I need to order some 1000 uF caps). Also, from a website perspective, you never want to put your phone number, 954) 300-905, in plain text because you will get inundated with scams and cold sales calls. The phone number should be a bitmap or jpeg. Robots are looking for phone numbers by the millions. Also, if you intend to sell worldwide, you need to add your country code to phone number (such as 1-(954) 300-905).

Just my 2 cents...

Ahh, yes, another good point. I will make this changes!

I just want to be clear, I want you to be successful at your enterprise, so I am being honest about my observations.
I see you changed the phone number, but it is still text, good luck with the robots. Also, the search really sucks if all I can search for is "capacitors" and not zero in such as "electrolytic" or "1000 uF". As I mentioned before, this search does not work at all on your site.

One of the most important aspects of running a business is to listen to your customers. You skimmed over my previous comment and only saw the phone number observation. I would have been a customer if I could have found the item in search.
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