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Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« on: September 03, 2023, 02:45:35 pm »
Hi,
Have you noticed unusual methods used to keep electronics engineers?

I went to visit a friend who was working at an electronics co. We were in starbucks, and the ex personnel officer of his electronics company was also in there and we started chatting. She told us , something that she had told him, ie, that the company, had offered a particular  member of staff in the company, an extra £25k per year in wages for every year  that my friend,  the electronics engineer , was still at the company.
…Kind of, as an Electronics engineer, if  you are  valuable to the  company, that  cannot ever get you a pay rise….the company will still fear you leaving (that’s the only reason pay rises are given in the first place)…so the companys,  in some cases it seems, have taken to paying others to keep an electronics engineer at a company. Have you also found this?
My friend also says that….he was at a different company where the ops director was ex-Navy ,like himself, …this Ops Director told him  that he had been asked , by the MD, to try and get the guy set up with a Phillipino Bride….and arrange for the guy to get screwed over and bankrupted in the process….so that he had no money or resources to use to actually ever get up and go and get a job with a different company.
[The ops guy also told him that the MD had  asked the ops director to go with him on the  “KFC run” (every Friday they would take turns to go to KFC and bring back chicken dinner for all)……to see how he payed, and to see if he had a credit/debit card, and to report back to the MD if he did/did_not. ]
At a different electronics company, my friend tells me that he had an interview set up with a different electronics company, and had arranged the afternoon off, so he could drive to the interview……but tells me, that when he went into the car park…..his rear tyre had been let down, and the valve had been glued up……luckily he says, the glue had not cured, and so he simply pumped the tyre back up.

In another co, his engine oil had been drained whilst in the company car park on friday of his first week...he only (luckily)  realised because he had just moved to the company, and was  due to travel back to his old flat to bring his stuff up on the saturday...and checking the oil before a long journey...noticed that the oil had been drained right down. The company was in  Scunthorpe, and were naffed off that he had moved to Hull instead of scunthorpe (Scunny).....they considered  he might move off again if he wasnt living in Scunny.

It seems that in these days, there are electronics companys who cannot get electronics engineers, since few exist any more, due to the UK’s (insert your own country) reliance on imports of electronics from overeas.
Many say that reliance on China for electronics is funding a country/industrial_region that is actively supplying military hardware (drones, drone jammers etc) to Russia in Ukraine...aswell as causing a weakness in UKs (insert your country) ability to make military hardware.
.....However, the electronics companys that do exist in  UK (insert your country), actually fairly secretly rely on a “backroom” electronics importation business to survive (bring in most of the money). They cant be blamed for this…it’s the only way to stay in electronics these days...due to the "system". They also need to run a “token” electronics design and manufacturing business in order to instill in potential customers that they do know about electronics, and are worth placing orders with. It is for this “token” business, that companys seem to struggle to find electronics engineering staff for.

Also, this is also part of the reason for wanting to hold on to electronics engineers in employment….
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/general-analog-electronics-companies-must-stop-killing-themselves/

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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2023, 02:58:18 pm »
Same old story. China bad, UK (insert your country) is bad for relying on China. You also have a lot of "friends". Are at least some of them real?

You have a weird fixation on this. This  is not healthy.
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2023, 04:27:40 pm »
Oh FFS, twice in one day with the fairytales!  ::)
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2023, 04:39:19 pm »
No, I have not found this to be true.
 
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2023, 09:36:03 pm »
I'm fairly certain this account is a bot, troll, or escaped mental patient. And that's just from the threads I inadvertantly click on without checking the author line.

Not applying the banhammer also confuses me, if nothing else all the nonsense threads must screw up the SEO and bring in more bots and BSers.

 
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2023, 01:42:41 am »
Years of FTTS (Farrington Treeze Time Sink) garbage questions and posts.

Many are repeats and none ever reach a solution or resolution.

what % of the power electronices posts are by FTTS?

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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2023, 02:25:02 am »
Maybe the forum rules, need to be clarified and improved.
Intentional, full-time trolls (trolling), should surely be banned?
 
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2023, 09:19:42 am »
The rules are sufficiently clear.

The rules are applied in simple clear cut cases. There will always be boundary gray areas.

Changing the rules merely change boundaries and wouldn't solve all problems like Treez/Ocset/Faringdon.

The moderators don't have sufficient time/energy/sanity to read every post. They rely on sufficient members pressing the "report to moderator" button. That's fine by me.

The moderators have conversations and do things that are invisible to us; that's fine.

Having said that, T/O/F is becoming a pain that reflects poorly on this forum. Again.
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2023, 09:54:03 am »
Moderators please?

The moderators don't have sufficient time/energy/sanity to read every post. They rely on sufficient members pressing the "report to moderator" button.

The mods’ take on it is “just ignore him if you don’t like him”…  |O

(That is, that’s basically what I’ve been told when I’ve tried reporting any of his posts.)
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2023, 11:04:35 am »
Moderators please?

The moderators don't have sufficient time/energy/sanity to read every post. They rely on sufficient members pressing the "report to moderator" button.

The mods’ take on it is “just ignore him if you don’t like him”…  |O

(That is, that’s basically what I’ve been told when I’ve tried reporting any of his posts.)

That is an understandable and justifiable reaction - both on the mod's part and also on your part. Hence my lamenting (elsewhere) the lack of a usenet-reader-style "ignore user and responses to user" button/filter/setting.

Absent that, the best option is to click the "ignore thread" button for each of his first posts.
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2023, 11:12:16 am »
Given that the mods have been willing to outright ban other problem users (like capernicus and whatever his newer aliases are), it is a bit baffling to me that treez has been given so much leeway. I’m just kinda surprised we haven’t reached the point of “enough is enough, already!”!!
 
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2023, 11:14:58 am »
(Tinfoil hats on) The ‘ignore user’ button would be a great idea here. There are various reactionaries, insane conspiracy theorists and others whose posts I would rather not see. But here we are, all engaging, all generating content - could this Faringdon be an eevblog employee?  >:D
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2023, 11:43:04 am »
(Tinfoil hats on) The ‘ignore user’ button would be a great idea here. There are various reactionaries, insane conspiracy theorists and others whose posts I would rather not see. But here we are, all engaging, all generating content - could this Faringdon be an eevblog employee?  >:D
Ignore user works, but there isn't ignore threads from users. Maybe there is a way to restrict someone from opening threads, and he can have one, where all these "How much space between resistors" and "How to delete a track in Altium" questions can go.
 
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2023, 12:04:21 pm »
Hi,
Have you noticed unusual methods used to keep electronics engineers?

I went to visit a friend who was working at an electronics co. We were in starbucks, and the ex personnel officer of his electronics company was also in there and we started chatting. She told us , something that she had told him, ie, that the company, had offered a particular  member of staff in the company, an extra £25k per year in wages for every year  that my friend,  the electronics engineer , was still at the company.
…Kind of, as an Electronics engineer, if  you are  valuable to the  company, that  cannot ever get you a pay rise….the company will still fear you leaving (that’s the only reason pay rises are given in the first place)…so the companys,  in some cases it seems, have taken to paying others to keep an electronics engineer at a company. Have you also found this?
My friend also says that….he was at a different company where the ops director was ex-Navy ,like himself, …this Ops Director told him  that he had been asked , by the MD, to try and get the guy set up with a Phillipino Bride….and arrange for the guy to get screwed over and bankrupted in the process….so that he had no money or resources to use to actually ever get up and go and get a job with a different company.
[The ops guy also told him that the MD had  asked the ops director to go with him on the  “KFC run” (every Friday they would take turns to go to KFC and bring back chicken dinner for all)……to see how he payed, and to see if he had a credit/debit card, and to report back to the MD if he did/did_not. ]
At a different electronics company, my friend tells me that he had an interview set up with a different electronics company, and had arranged the afternoon off, so he could drive to the interview……but tells me, that when he went into the car park…..his rear tyre had been let down, and the valve had been glued up……luckily he says, the glue had not cured, and so he simply pumped the tyre back up.

In another co, his engine oil had been drained whilst in the company car park on friday of his first week...he only (luckily)  realised because he had just moved to the company, and was  due to travel back to his old flat to bring his stuff up on the saturday...and checking the oil before a long journey...noticed that the oil had been drained right down. The company was in  Scunthorpe, and were naffed off that he had moved to Hull instead of scunthorpe (Scunny).....they considered  he might move off again if he wasnt living in Scunny.

It seems that in these days, there are electronics companys who cannot get electronics engineers, since few exist any more, due to the UK’s (insert your own country) reliance on imports of electronics from overeas.
Many say that reliance on China for electronics is funding a country/industrial_region that is actively supplying military hardware (drones, drone jammers etc) to Russia in Ukraine...aswell as causing a weakness in UKs (insert your country) ability to make military hardware.
.....However, the electronics companys that do exist in  UK (insert your country), actually fairly secretly rely on a “backroom” electronics importation business to survive (bring in most of the money). They cant be blamed for this…it’s the only way to stay in electronics these days...due to the "system". They also need to run a “token” electronics design and manufacturing business in order to instill in potential customers that they do know about electronics, and are worth placing orders with. It is for this “token” business, that companys seem to struggle to find electronics engineering staff for.

Also, this is also part of the reason for wanting to hold on to electronics engineers in employment….
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/general-analog-electronics-companies-must-stop-killing-themselves/

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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2023, 12:09:54 pm »
(Tinfoil hats on) The ‘ignore user’ button would be a great idea here. There are various reactionaries, insane conspiracy theorists and others whose posts I would rather not see. But here we are, all engaging, all generating content - could this Faringdon be an eevblog employee?  >:D
Ignore user works, but there isn't ignore threads from users. Maybe there is a way to restrict someone from opening threads, and he can have one, where all these "How much space between resistors" and "How to delete a track in Altium" questions can go.

Ignore threads from user exists. It is usable, but irritating to have to use it.

It cannot address the problem that usenet had to solve decades ago: a reasonable and interesting thread where a "troublemaker" chimes in and creates a sub-thread containing only irritating responses amongst the otherwise useful responses. That can't be solved in a server-side forum based system; it require the filtering to be done in the reader.

Oh well. Newer is better. Isn't it?
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2023, 12:36:18 pm »
so the companys,  in some cases it seems, have taken to paying others to keep an electronics engineer at a company. Have you also found this?

Have you found, by any chance, that a company paid someone else in order to make you leave that company?  ::)
 
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2023, 12:38:51 pm »
Ignore threads from user exists. It is usable, but irritating to have to use it.

It cannot address the problem that usenet had to solve decades ago: a reasonable and interesting thread where a "troublemaker" chimes in and creates a sub-thread containing only irritating responses amongst the otherwise useful responses. That can't be solved in a server-side forum based system; it require the filtering to be done in the reader.

Oh well. Newer is better. Isn't it?
The problem is that there is no function on this forum to hide threads and posts from a particular user. The ability to manually ignore a thread after you identify who it is from is orthogonal to that.

Not to mention that the “ignore” function still shows that user’s posts, it simply hides the content of them behind a little curtain. It can still be tempting to click “show post” (or whatever it’s called). A true “ignore user” feature would make it appear as though that user, and the content they post, didn’t exist at all.
 
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« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2023, 12:58:44 pm »
I'm convinced, leaving such users to freely run riot.  Is significantly lowering the quality, tone and other parameters, of the forum.  Dragging it down, to some extent to their level, and may put off various users, from participating or using (even read only), the forum.

There is a rather important distinction, between a so called hated user, and someone who seems to be deliberately making trouble, such as outright trolling.

They have already made so many different accounts on here, many already banned, I'm surprised they are not permanently banned already.

Although I don't want to disagree with the moderators here.  I don't seem to be able to see a single user, say, wait a minute, I like and appreciate their posts, please keep them on here.

If such a user suddenly appears, I'd initially worry, it was another of their 'alias' accounts.

Also, surely it is blindingly obvious, they are producing posts, which are sometimes, copy/paste's from some trolling cheat sheet, they have created.

They are not even an entertaining, especially funny or especially interesting troll.

More like a permanently jammed record player, trolling out the same nonsense, all the time.
 
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2023, 02:01:23 pm »
Ignore threads from user exists. It is usable, but irritating to have to use it.

It cannot address the problem that usenet had to solve decades ago: a reasonable and interesting thread where a "troublemaker" chimes in and creates a sub-thread containing only irritating responses amongst the otherwise useful responses. That can't be solved in a server-side forum based system; it require the filtering to be done in the reader.

Oh well. Newer is better. Isn't it?
The problem is that there is no function on this forum to hide threads and posts from a particular user. The ability to manually ignore a thread after you identify who it is from is orthogonal to that.

Not to mention that the “ignore” function still shows that user’s posts, it simply hides the content of them behind a little curtain. It can still be tempting to click “show post” (or whatever it’s called). A true “ignore user” feature would make it appear as though that user, and the content they post, didn’t exist at all.

Agreed.

Unfortunately not available on web forums :(
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2023, 11:01:00 pm »
so the companys,  in some cases it seems, have taken to paying others to keep an electronics engineer at a company. Have you also found this?

Have you found, by any chance, that a company paid someone else in order to make you leave that company?  ::)

Yeah that can happen.
Oh, and a third option too: a company pays you extra to make you leave.
 
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2023, 05:27:18 am »
So for years FTTS usually repeats the same posts endlessly, poses seemingly interesting but leading questions "dont we agree that..." and his posts never reache  a conclusion or solution.

Endlessly Complains about UK  emploueers, job situation,  economic that most of us have never seen.

My Diagnosis : FTTS is highly neurotic,  an OCD, an "injustic collector" and derives pleasure from posting fictional questions.

He needs to seek psycological and not electronic assistance.

EEVblog monitors should review his 100s (thousands>) of posts under several pseudonyms and inform us how to mask  FTTS

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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2023, 07:06:54 am »
Hi,
Have you noticed unusual methods used to keep electronics engineers?

I went to visit a friend who was working at an electronics co. We were in starbucks, and the ex personnel officer of his electronics company was also in there and we started chatting. She told us , something that she had told him, ie, that the company, had offered a particular  member of staff in the company, an extra £25k per year in wages for every year  that my friend,  the electronics engineer , was still at the company.
…Kind of, as an Electronics engineer, if  you are  valuable to the  company, that  cannot ever get you a pay rise….the company will still fear you leaving (that’s the only reason pay rises are given in the first place)…so the companys,  in some cases it seems, have taken to paying others to keep an electronics engineer at a company. Have you also found this?
My friend also says that….he was at a different company where the ops director was ex-Navy ,like himself, …this Ops Director told him  that he had been asked , by the MD, to try and get the guy set up with a Phillipino Bride….and arrange for the guy to get screwed over and bankrupted in the process….so that he had no money or resources to use to actually ever get up and go and get a job with a different company.
[The ops guy also told him that the MD had  asked the ops director to go with him on the  “KFC run” (every Friday they would take turns to go to KFC and bring back chicken dinner for all)……to see how he payed, and to see if he had a credit/debit card, and to report back to the MD if he did/did_not. ]
At a different electronics company, my friend tells me that he had an interview set up with a different electronics company, and had arranged the afternoon off, so he could drive to the interview……but tells me, that when he went into the car park…..his rear tyre had been let down, and the valve had been glued up……luckily he says, the glue had not cured, and so he simply pumped the tyre back up.

In another co, his engine oil had been drained whilst in the company car park on friday of his first week...he only (luckily)  realised because he had just moved to the company, and was  due to travel back to his old flat to bring his stuff up on the saturday...and checking the oil before a long journey...noticed that the oil had been drained right down. The company was in  Scunthorpe, and were naffed off that he had moved to Hull instead of scunthorpe (Scunny).....they considered  he might move off again if he wasnt living in Scunny.

It seems that in these days, there are electronics companys who cannot get electronics engineers, since few exist any more, due to the UK’s (insert your own country) reliance on imports of electronics from overeas.
Many say that reliance on China for electronics is funding a country/industrial_region that is actively supplying military hardware (drones, drone jammers etc) to Russia in Ukraine...aswell as causing a weakness in UKs (insert your country) ability to make military hardware.
.....However, the electronics companys that do exist in  UK (insert your country), actually fairly secretly rely on a “backroom” electronics importation business to survive (bring in most of the money). They cant be blamed for this…it’s the only way to stay in electronics these days...due to the "system". They also need to run a “token” electronics design and manufacturing business in order to instill in potential customers that they do know about electronics, and are worth placing orders with. It is for this “token” business, that companys seem to struggle to find electronics engineering staff for.

Also, this is also part of the reason for wanting to hold on to electronics engineers in employment….
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/general-analog-electronics-companies-must-stop-killing-themselves/
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2023, 09:00:08 am »
I know someone on here has pinned down T/F's real world identity, and mentioned they do actually have a job in engineering, well, maybe something like 30 jobs in the last two decades... but people do keep employing them somehow.  So I'm not sure it is all made up? But it certainly isn't conducive to maintaining continuous employment, the way in which they perform their duties.
 
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2023, 09:05:37 am »
I know someone on here has pinned down T/F's real world identity, and mentioned they do actually have a job in engineering, well, maybe something like 30 jobs in the last two decades... but people do keep employing them somehow.
I have come across some people who are very good at presenting themselves as experts but can't get any real engineering done. As soon as an employer realises this, such persons find themselves fired.
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2023, 09:32:13 am »
I know someone on here has pinned down T/F's real world identity, and mentioned they do actually have a job in engineering, well, maybe something like 30 jobs in the last two decades

I don't know his real identity, don't want to, and IIRC he himself stated such a large number of employers.

When I started, it was acceptable to leave a job in <1month or >2years. Anything in between raised questions, with 6months requiring a satisfactory explanation. I appreciate jobs have changed over the decades, but that's still a useful rule of thumb.

There are different "rules" for contractors, of course.
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