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--- Quote from: tggzzz on September 05, 2023, 09:32:13 am --- --- Quote from: tom66 on September 05, 2023, 09:00:08 am ---I know someone on here has pinned down T/F's real world identity, and mentioned they do actually have a job in engineering, well, maybe something like 30 jobs in the last two decades --- End quote --- I don't know his real identity, don't want to, and IIRC he himself stated such a large number of employers. When I started, it was acceptable to leave a job in <1month or >2years. Anything in between raised questions, with 6months requiring a satisfactory explanation. I appreciate jobs have changed over the decades, but that's still a useful rule of thumb. There are different "rules" for contractors, of course. --- End quote --- I don't think many companies even need full time EE's. For example the place i worked at wanted me to design a new version of their trailer controller (hydraulic and movement control, DMX, etc.) but that's the kind of thing they only need once every 5-10 years and they only need it done once. As soon as the design is tested and in production, the EE is no longer needed, assuming no problems arise. So for instances like this it makes sense to be a short time employee/contractor. |
| Nominal Animal:
--- Quote from: nctnico on September 05, 2023, 09:05:37 am --- --- Quote from: tom66 on September 05, 2023, 09:00:08 am ---I know someone on here has pinned down T/F's real world identity, and mentioned they do actually have a job in engineering, well, maybe something like 30 jobs in the last two decades... but people do keep employing them somehow. --- End quote --- I have come across some people who are very good at presenting themselves as experts but can't get any real engineering done. As soon as an employer realises this, such persons find themselves fired. --- End quote --- I wish it was like that here in Finland, too. Here, firing people is difficult and risky, so they tend to be promoted (to another department in larger organizations) instead. I once made the mistake of becoming extremely surprised and saying it out loud, when in a meeting a webmaster proudly declared he had zero understanding of how server certificates work. I ended up getting about 1,000 SMS messages from him calling me names, as he also liked to take alcohol with his bipolar medication causing him to lose all inhibition. I ended up switching jobs, because even if I'd gone to the trouble of getting him convicted of harassment – and I wasn't the only one he targeted there like that –, he'd still have kept his job there. (In the same university, the administrative director was fired because of misuse of his position and uni funds; he got a chair as the professor of Art History as compensation.) Because of weird and unbelievable stuff that has happened to myself (because I have not perceived the warning signs that other people would have), I'm somewhat leaning towards taking Faringdon's tales at their face value. I do understand there is a high possibility of them telling tall tales, but for me, the fact that these threads are read and discoverable through web searches, leading others wondering about something similar to a part of what Faringdon describes, I think it is worth it for at least someone to answer to it at face value –– now that others have made it absolutely clear how unlikely/unbelievable/unreliable that post likely is. --- Quote from: Faringdon on September 03, 2023, 02:45:35 pm ---She told us , something that she had told him, ie, that the company, had offered a particular member of staff in the company, an extra £25k per year in wages for every year that my friend, the electronics engineer , was still at the company. --- End quote --- This could happen in a dysfunctional company that relies on lying and cheating to its customers and workers to stay in business. That member of staff would be tasked to keep the engineer scared, in the belief that they may lose their job at any point, and would not find any work elsewhere, while making sufficient profit to the company that the extra £25k/year makes business sense. Even though it would make more sense to just pay the engineer that additional £25k/year, there are two reasons why the admin might not want to do that: because they despise engineers and want to keep the wage gap between themselves and the engineer, and because if they paid that to one, they'd eventually had to pay more to other engineers as well. Such companies always fail eventually. Their only hope is to get bought up by a bigger company, and get a golden handshake before the negative value of the operations is exposed. Usually, there is some kind of criminal activity afoot also, either VAT fraud, product fraud, or buying/selling products to conflict zones against the law. (For example, prohibited electronics to Russia or China; that's very lucrative right now. It is easier to hide if you also do "legitimate" electronics business also. Thus, the presence of a real engineer in the company might be a requirement to avoid being caught in a government check that would likely expose the illegalities, putting the admin/Cxx at risk of prison sentences.) While this sounds "fantastical", exactly such a case is right now in the news here in Finland, one of the "least corrupted countries in the world". --- Quote from: Faringdon on September 03, 2023, 02:45:35 pm ---this Ops Director told him that he had been asked , by the MD, to try and get the guy set up with a Phillipino Bride….and arrange for the guy to get screwed over and bankrupted in the process….so that he had no money or resources to use to actually ever get up and go and get a job with a different company. --- End quote --- That is purely personal, with the company stuff just a diversion in the hopes the ops director doesn't realize it is personal and does it "for the company". This kind of social games and backstabbing is common in shady businesses. --- Quote from: Faringdon on September 03, 2023, 02:45:35 pm ---In another co, his engine oil had been drained whilst in the company car park on friday of his first week...he only (luckily) realised because he had just moved to the company, and was due to travel back to his old flat to bring his stuff up on the saturday...and checking the oil before a long journey...noticed that the oil had been drained right down. --- End quote --- This sounds like your friend has one of those unfortunate personalities that immediately garners him enemies due to wonky first impression. I've had that happen multiple times. It's something to do with how I present myself and communicate with others, that is somehow in dissonance with expectations. However, it tends to not last, because I do love to try and help, and I always spread the glory from "wins" around; am a team player in that sense, if you will. But ever since high school, I've had quite a few people confess/apologise to me that they initially thought I was a colossal asshole, but they now actually really like working with me. I've gotten so used to it I don't even get surprised anymore. Never assume it is the company behind it, when it is more likely one of the cow-orkers thinks you're an asshole and wants to anonymously hurt you. Here in Finland, it is usually done by starting odd rumours and claims behind your back, rather than messing with cars or property. |
| tom66:
F's stories might make sense if it were one or two bad experiences, I have worked for a company and left within a very short period of time because it was clear the boss had certain problems. That's just life sometimes, these things don't show up in the interviews. Later bumped into a guy who had worked with them and he told me I got away with it, they have been truly awful to some people. Obviously I will not name them as I don't want to be sued! In general I've found most employers and employees in engineering companies to be good people who just want to get the work done. They are not sabotaging cars of colleagues, who the hell does that? So I don't believe the majority of what F writes, I suspect he himself has some undisclosed issues that trigger these clashes, if they're even real. |
| Shonky:
--- Quote from: tom66 on September 05, 2023, 11:24:23 am ---F's stories might make sense if it were one or two bad experiences.... --- End quote --- Yep. If everyone else is always the problem, maybe the problem isn't everyone else... |
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--- Quote from: tom66 on September 05, 2023, 11:24:23 am ---F's stories might make sense if it were one or two bad experiences, I have worked for a company and left within a very short period of time because it was clear the boss had certain problems. That's just life sometimes, these things don't show up in the interviews. Later bumped into a guy who had worked with them and he told me I got away with it, they have been truly awful to some people. Obviously I will not name them as I don't want to be sued! In general I've found most employers and employees in engineering companies to be good people who just want to get the work done. They are not sabotaging cars of colleagues, who the hell does that? So I don't believe the majority of what F writes, I suspect he himself has some undisclosed issues that trigger these clashes, if they're even real. --- End quote --- Yep, i also had a pretty bad experience working at one company, where the boss was passionate about what he does and his company, but he had trust issues and couldn't trust anyone to do any important work, so in the end he had so much riding on his shoulders that he was constantly too busy to pay attention to what's going on around him. In a sense he was carrying the whole company, because he didn't trust anyone to share the load and responsibility. But in the end it made it really hard to talk to him or get any decisions made, which killed productivity and as of now the company has gone under. Which is a shame, since he found a really good niche, with a very high demand, but his mismanagement caused the company to stall. |
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