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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #50 on: September 08, 2023, 09:07:11 pm »
Some traits, like me with my excess verbosity, can be difficult to get rid of ...

I admire anyone who can write with such agility.   :)  Over many decades, my time averaged 1h per double-spaced legal pad which converted to 2 hours per double-spaced typewritten text.  That was when I had a secretary/assistant to keyboard my scribbles.  Now that I do my own keyboarding, I probably don't even meet that benchmark.
I get frustrated with my handwriting being retardedly slow and barely legible, but I can type much faster, even though my spelling is still so poor, I often struggle to get the correct spellings using a search engine or spellchecker. :palm:
 

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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #51 on: September 08, 2023, 09:31:01 pm »
I get frustrated with my handwriting being retardedly slow and barely legible, but I can type much faster, even though my spelling is still so poor, I often struggle to get the correct spellings using a search engine or spellchecker. :palm:

Maybe you should have considered, training to be a Doctor then?

(I'm joking).

I'm worried that all these spelling checkers, all over the place and easy looking up the spelling with google and so fourth.  Have been weakening peoples spelling skills.

Also, I wonder how much less people read (books/magazines/stuff), these days, compared to a number of decades ago.  Which also might weaken peoples abilities in some areas.

Also, with common place, modern day emails, texts, printers and other modern aids.  There is less and less opportunity, for people to keep their handwriting skills, in regular practice.
 

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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #52 on: September 08, 2023, 11:33:14 pm »
I'm worried that all these spelling checkers, all over the place and easy looking up the spelling with google and so fourth.  Have been weakening peoples spelling skills.

Also, I wonder how much less people read (books/magazines/stuff), these days, compared to a number of decades ago.  Which also might weaken peoples abilities in some areas.

Also, with common place, modern day emails, texts, printers and other modern aids.  There is less and less opportunity, for people to keep their handwriting skills, in regular practice.

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And now, since you are the father of writing, your affection for it has made you describe its effects as the opposite of what they really are. In fact, it will introduce forgetfulness into the soul of those who learn it: they will not practice using their memory because they will put their trust in writing, which is external and depends on signs that belong to others, instead of trying to remember from the inside, completely on their own.
 
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #53 on: September 08, 2023, 11:55:05 pm »
I'm worried that all these spelling checkers, all over the place and easy looking up the spelling with google and so fourth.  Have been weakening peoples spelling skills.

Naw it dont afect my spellin skills in the leest. As yoo can see when I am not usin it ther isnt a problom.
I told my friends I could teach them to be funny, but they all just laughed at me.
 
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #54 on: September 09, 2023, 01:03:42 am »
I'm worried that all these spelling checkers, all over the place and easy looking up the spelling with google and so fourth.  Have been weakening peoples spelling skills.

Also, I wonder how much less people read (books/magazines/stuff), these days, compared to a number of decades ago.  Which also might weaken peoples abilities in some areas.

Also, with common place, modern day emails, texts, printers and other modern aids.  There is less and less opportunity, for people to keep their handwriting skills, in regular practice.

Quote from: Socrates on <Error: integer underflow>
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And now, since you are the father of writing, your affection for it has made you describe its effects as the opposite of what they really are. In fact, it will introduce forgetfulness into the soul of those who learn it: they will not practice using their memory because they will put their trust in writing, which is external and depends on signs that belong to others, instead of trying to remember from the inside, completely on their own.

Thanks!
That is a very, very good point.  History repeating itself.

(IIRC) When calculators were first, being introduced to schools, and were suddenly rapidly becoming cheaper and cheaper, and much more common place, and people would make jokes on the lines of, a calculator would come free inside a Kellogg's cornflake packet (which use to come with, free tiny/small toys, to persuade kids, to nag their parents to get those particular cereal packets).

Because they would cause, mass loss of the populations abilities to perform mental arithmetic, WITHOUT a calculator.

Also, it would stop people from practising doing standard arithmetic calculations, using pen and paper.

I think (IIRC), there was a significant outcry, when cheap Biro-pens (i.e. NOT fountain pens), became very common-place.  Because "handwriting isn't proper, without being done, with a quality fountain ink pen".

The reality is fountain pens, can cause terrible permanent ink mess all over the place, on clothes and hands, and the ink can smudge like crazy.  It also tends to leak through to the other side of the paper, and the pens can leak, badly from pockets, making an awful mess.
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #55 on: September 09, 2023, 06:42:36 am »
MYSTERY SOLVED! Recall 2001?


Our friend Farrington/Treeze FTTS is really an early Chat GPT bot deployed by the World Government (Illumanati, Group of Rome, Putin, Kim...fill in the blanks...) to waste valuable time of electronic experts and afficinados.

Bot is  configured to pose nonesense questions that seem intriguung at first but lead no where, least of all  a resolution or solution to a problem.

"This conversation can serve no further purpose Dave"
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #56 on: September 09, 2023, 07:27:40 am »
I'm worried that all these spelling checkers, all over the place and easy looking up the spelling with google and so fourth.  Have been weakening peoples spelling skills.

Also, I wonder how much less people read (books/magazines/stuff), these days, compared to a number of decades ago.  Which also might weaken peoples abilities in some areas.

Also, with common place, modern day emails, texts, printers and other modern aids.  There is less and less opportunity, for people to keep their handwriting skills, in regular practice.

Quote from: Socrates on <Error: integer underflow>
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And now, since you are the father of writing, your affection for it has made you describe its effects as the opposite of what they really are. In fact, it will introduce forgetfulness into the soul of those who learn it: they will not practice using their memory because they will put their trust in writing, which is external and depends on signs that belong to others, instead of trying to remember from the inside, completely on their own.

Thanks!
That is a very, very good point.  History repeating itself.

(IIRC) When calculators were first, being introduced to schools, and were suddenly rapidly becoming cheaper and cheaper, and much more common place, and people would make jokes on the lines of, a calculator would come free inside a Kellogg's cornflake packet (which use to come with, free tiny/small toys, to persuade kids, to nag their parents to get those particular cereal packets).

Because they would cause, mass loss of the populations abilities to perform mental arithmetic, WITHOUT a calculator.

Also, it would stop people from practising doing standard arithmetic calculations, using pen and paper.

I think (IIRC), there was a significant outcry, when cheap Biro-pens (i.e. NOT fountain pens), became very common-place.  Because "handwriting isn't proper, without being done, with a quality fountain ink pen".

The reality is fountain pens, can cause terrible permanent ink mess all over the place, on clothes and hands, and the ink can smudge like crazy.  It also tends to leak through to the other side of the paper, and the pens can leak, badly from pockets, making an awful mess.


My spelling and grammar have always been rather bad. I just can't see my mistakes until a few hours later, if I do see them. I don't think computers help with the auto correction as often that has changed the word I thought I typed to a completely different one. But if it wasn't for computers I doubt I would sit there and write anything as my hand writing went from ok but slow with a pencil and fountain pen to fast and messy with a biro (part of that was becuase I needed to keep up).

Every technology breakthrough supposedly meant the end of writing yet it seems to keep going.

With regards to F, I partly think troll but I do know some people who find it hard to make friends in the real world and this could be his only outlet but due to a lack of ability they can't seem to string a cohesive statement together.
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #57 on: September 09, 2023, 08:08:51 am »
The new gold is attention and validation. People must get some on social media, clothing optional lol.
I think the nutty posts are to stir the pot and make a person feel as though they have some power (controversy, pissing people off etc.) and get psychological needs met. Nothing really to do with the technical question at hand. Notice how it seems to keep repeating and repeating and changing form and frustrating myself and others.

I've learned you cannot change/fix/teach people anything at all. They are as they are.
As much as people try on social media, people are not malleable and doxing someone as a form of stick to whack them, I think it does nothing but wreck a person's life.
Even one errant post or misunderstanding, the mob will attack- even if they are going off of a conspiracy or hearsay. A very fragile world we have now.
I can't imagine losing one's job and reputation etc. all over some mean people whacking their stick via keyboard.
As far as doxing, he's already given his name in files. But I have no interest in who the guy is, towards changing them.

I talked tonight with a fellow EE about how hard effort, good ideas, quality of workmanship is completely unappreciated or recognized. It's the nature of this profession.
Your attention and validation comes not from other people but from a scope trace lol. This is very hard on people.
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #58 on: September 09, 2023, 08:51:31 am »
The first electronics company I worked at took me on as a test and alignment engineer.
I tested equipment but found pretty quickly I could fix it as well.
I was then offered a job in R&D.
A year later the next years graduates arrived and I was taken off R&D and put back on to test in favour of a new starter.
I was pretty pissed off.
Half an hour later the boss came to see me and said the new lad couldnt cope with R&D and would I go back.
I went back but wasnt happy about the way I had been treat.
Another year went by and they took on a degree qualified hardware engineer and again I was shoved back on test.
So I walked out.
The next day the companies accountant came to see me and said they needed me back as no one else could write Z80 software. The new man was hardware only.
I went back for a substantial rise in wages.
I stuck it out for a year when yet again a new software engineer was taken on and replaced me.
That week I was at a electronics show in London and on the way down got chatting to an electronics business owner and he offered me a job which I took.
3 months after I left previous business they went bust.
What goes around comes around.
 
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #59 on: September 09, 2023, 09:23:15 am »
I'm worried that all these spelling checkers, all over the place and easy looking up the spelling with google and so fourth.  Have been weakening peoples spelling skills.

Also, I wonder how much less people read (books/magazines/stuff), these days, compared to a number of decades ago.  Which also might weaken peoples abilities in some areas.

Also, with common place, modern day emails, texts, printers and other modern aids.  There is less and less opportunity, for people to keep their handwriting skills, in regular practice.

Quote from: Socrates on <Error: integer underflow>
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And now, since you are the father of writing, your affection for it has made you describe its effects as the opposite of what they really are. In fact, it will introduce forgetfulness into the soul of those who learn it: they will not practice using their memory because they will put their trust in writing, which is external and depends on signs that belong to others, instead of trying to remember from the inside, completely on their own.

Thanks!
That is a very, very good point.  History repeating itself.

(IIRC) When calculators were first, being introduced to schools, and were suddenly rapidly becoming cheaper and cheaper, and much more common place, and people would make jokes on the lines of, a calculator would come free inside a Kellogg's cornflake packet (which use to come with, free tiny/small toys, to persuade kids, to nag their parents to get those particular cereal packets).

Because they would cause, mass loss of the populations abilities to perform mental arithmetic, WITHOUT a calculator.

Also, it would stop people from practising doing standard arithmetic calculations, using pen and paper.

I think (IIRC), there was a significant outcry, when cheap Biro-pens (i.e. NOT fountain pens), became very common-place.  Because "handwriting isn't proper, without being done, with a quality fountain ink pen".

The reality is fountain pens, can cause terrible permanent ink mess all over the place, on clothes and hands, and the ink can smudge like crazy.  It also tends to leak through to the other side of the paper, and the pens can leak, badly from pockets, making an awful mess.

I remember echoes of the Biro/fountain pen outcry.

I remember the calculator outcry. I too used the analogy with writing when discussing the issue with some teachers. They didn't like it :)

Not sure why the school taught us to use slide rules and Odhners(?)

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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #60 on: September 09, 2023, 06:40:13 pm »
The new gold is attention and validation. People must get some on social media, clothing optional lol.

If Faringdon starts posting nudes, I'm out.
 
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #61 on: September 09, 2023, 07:55:43 pm »
The first electronics company I worked at took me on as a test and alignment engineer.
I tested equipment but found pretty quickly I could fix it as well.
I was then offered a job in R&D.
A year later the next years graduates arrived and I was taken off R&D and put back on to test in favour of a new starter.
I was pretty pissed off.
Half an hour later the boss came to see me and said the new lad couldnt cope with R&D and would I go back.
I went back but wasnt happy about the way I had been treat.
Another year went by and they took on a degree qualified hardware engineer and again I was shoved back on test.
So I walked out.
The next day the companies accountant came to see me and said they needed me back as no one else could write Z80 software. The new man was hardware only.
I went back for a substantial rise in wages.
I stuck it out for a year when yet again a new software engineer was taken on and replaced me.
That week I was at a electronics show in London and on the way down got chatting to an electronics business owner and he offered me a job which I took.
3 months after I left previous business they went bust.
What goes around comes around.

Many engineering managers are not engineers so they are totally clueless about the knowledge in our heads or how complex the work is, as well as the years involved to learn the art.
They think you are like a forklift driver, easily changed.

As well, I have seen those with a jealous hatred of our abilities. The manager that never made it through uni or is a little on the dumb side, that wormed his way up the ladder.
Giving your job to interns, newer cheaper hires- they think it will work out, you ain't special and I'm gonna prove it.

Every single one of the businesses stupidly managed like this, they are a "zombie" company - not successful at finishing any projects- after years roll by. High turnover of engineering staff.
Large corporations can afford the life support and are generally too dumb to realize there is a problem.
Small companies run out of money.
 
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Re: Keeping hold of electronics engineers.
« Reply #62 on: September 09, 2023, 09:02:37 pm »
My spelling and grammar have always been rather bad. I just can't see my mistakes until a few hours later, if I do see them. I don't think computers help with the auto correction as often that has changed the word I thought I typed to a completely different one. But if it wasn't for computers I doubt I would sit there and write anything as my hand writing went from ok but slow with a pencil and fountain pen to fast and messy with a biro (part of that was becuase I needed to keep up).

Every technology breakthrough supposedly meant the end of writing yet it seems to keep going.

I suppose the next phase, in its evolution (writing notes and other things).  Is already beginning to be a reality.  Which is that we speak, directly to the computer (think of a cross between; Alexa and ChatGPT), perhaps with AI (ChatGPT etc), writing out (fleshing out), the actual longer content.

E.g. I want to write a letter of complain to xyz, make it a formal letter, and mention my computer broke, within hours of first receiving it.  Demand my money back.

So, as an example, I just submitted the above (E.g. ...), to ChatGPT, here is the basic letter:

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[Your Name]
[Your Address]
[City, State, ZIP Code]
[Email Address]
[Phone Number]
[Date]

[Recipient's Name]
[Recipient's Position]
XYZ Electronics
[XYZ Electronics Address]
[City, State, ZIP Code]

Dear [Recipient's Name],

I hope this letter finds you well. I am writing to express my extreme dissatisfaction with the recent purchase of a computer from your company. On [Date of Purchase], I ordered a [Computer Model] from XYZ Electronics, and I received it on the same day. I had high expectations for your product, but I regret to inform you that my experience has been far from satisfactory.

Within hours of receiving the computer, I encountered several serious issues that have significantly disrupted my work and productivity. These issues include [briefly describe the problems you encountered, e.g., frequent crashes, hardware malfunctions, software errors, etc.]. It is truly disappointing that a brand-new computer would exhibit such problems immediately upon use.

I would like to emphasize that I am a loyal customer and have always appreciated the quality and reliability associated with the XYZ Electronics brand. However, the quality of the product I received is far below the standards I have come to expect from your company.

Considering the inconvenience and frustration that this faulty computer has caused me, I kindly request a full refund of the purchase price, which was [mention the purchase amount]. I believe this is a fair and reasonable course of action given the circumstances.

I have attached a copy of the purchase receipt and any other relevant documentation to support my request. I kindly request that you process my refund as soon as possible and provide confirmation of the refund transaction once it has been completed.

I sincerely hope that XYZ Electronics values its customers and their satisfaction, and I trust that you will take prompt action to address this issue. I am confident that a reputable company such as XYZ Electronics will strive to rectify this situation and ensure customer satisfaction.

Please respond to this letter at your earliest convenience, no later than [reasonable timeframe, e.g., 14 days], to confirm the status of my refund request. If I do not receive a satisfactory response within the specified time frame, I will be compelled to escalate this matter through appropriate legal channels.

Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter. I look forward to a swift resolution.

Sincerely,

[Your Name]

Enclosures:

    Purchase Receipt
    [Any other supporting documents]
 


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