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jonpaul:
MYSTERY SOLVED! Recall 2001?


Our friend Farrington/Treeze FTTS is really an early Chat GPT bot deployed by the World Government (Illumanati, Group of Rome, Putin, Kim...fill in the blanks...) to waste valuable time of electronic experts and afficinados.

Bot is  configured to pose nonesense questions that seem intriguung at first but lead no where, least of all  a resolution or solution to a problem.

"This conversation can serve no further purpose Dave"
HAL9000 to astronaught David Bowman in landmark film 2001: A Space Oddssey 1968, by Stanley Kubrick and Arthur C Clarke

HAVE AN ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC DAY!

Jon in Paris 6
mendip_discovery:

--- Quote from: MK14 on September 09, 2023, 01:03:42 am ---
--- Quote from: abeyer on September 08, 2023, 11:33:14 pm ---
--- Quote from: MK14 on September 08, 2023, 09:31:01 pm ---I'm worried that all these spelling checkers, all over the place and easy looking up the spelling with google and so fourth.  Have been weakening peoples spelling skills.

Also, I wonder how much less people read (books/magazines/stuff), these days, compared to a number of decades ago.  Which also might weaken peoples abilities in some areas.

Also, with common place, modern day emails, texts, printers and other modern aids.  There is less and less opportunity, for people to keep their handwriting skills, in regular practice.

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Quote from: Socrates on <Error: integer underflow>

--- Quote ---And now, since you are the father of writing, your affection for it has made you describe its effects as the opposite of what they really are. In fact, it will introduce forgetfulness into the soul of those who learn it: they will not practice using their memory because they will put their trust in writing, which is external and depends on signs that belong to others, instead of trying to remember from the inside, completely on their own.
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Thanks!
That is a very, very good point.  History repeating itself.

(IIRC) When calculators were first, being introduced to schools, and were suddenly rapidly becoming cheaper and cheaper, and much more common place, and people would make jokes on the lines of, a calculator would come free inside a Kellogg's cornflake packet (which use to come with, free tiny/small toys, to persuade kids, to nag their parents to get those particular cereal packets).

Because they would cause, mass loss of the populations abilities to perform mental arithmetic, WITHOUT a calculator.

Also, it would stop people from practising doing standard arithmetic calculations, using pen and paper.

I think (IIRC), there was a significant outcry, when cheap Biro-pens (i.e. NOT fountain pens), became very common-place.  Because "handwriting isn't proper, without being done, with a quality fountain ink pen".

The reality is fountain pens, can cause terrible permanent ink mess all over the place, on clothes and hands, and the ink can smudge like crazy.  It also tends to leak through to the other side of the paper, and the pens can leak, badly from pockets, making an awful mess.

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My spelling and grammar have always been rather bad. I just can't see my mistakes until a few hours later, if I do see them. I don't think computers help with the auto correction as often that has changed the word I thought I typed to a completely different one. But if it wasn't for computers I doubt I would sit there and write anything as my hand writing went from ok but slow with a pencil and fountain pen to fast and messy with a biro (part of that was becuase I needed to keep up).

Every technology breakthrough supposedly meant the end of writing yet it seems to keep going.

With regards to F, I partly think troll but I do know some people who find it hard to make friends in the real world and this could be his only outlet but due to a lack of ability they can't seem to string a cohesive statement together.
floobydust:
The new gold is attention and validation. People must get some on social media, clothing optional lol.
I think the nutty posts are to stir the pot and make a person feel as though they have some power (controversy, pissing people off etc.) and get psychological needs met. Nothing really to do with the technical question at hand. Notice how it seems to keep repeating and repeating and changing form and frustrating myself and others.

I've learned you cannot change/fix/teach people anything at all. They are as they are.
As much as people try on social media, people are not malleable and doxing someone as a form of stick to whack them, I think it does nothing but wreck a person's life.
Even one errant post or misunderstanding, the mob will attack- even if they are going off of a conspiracy or hearsay. A very fragile world we have now.
I can't imagine losing one's job and reputation etc. all over some mean people whacking their stick via keyboard.
As far as doxing, he's already given his name in files. But I have no interest in who the guy is, towards changing them.

I talked tonight with a fellow EE about how hard effort, good ideas, quality of workmanship is completely unappreciated or recognized. It's the nature of this profession.
Your attention and validation comes not from other people but from a scope trace lol. This is very hard on people.
nigelwright7557:
The first electronics company I worked at took me on as a test and alignment engineer.
I tested equipment but found pretty quickly I could fix it as well.
I was then offered a job in R&D.
A year later the next years graduates arrived and I was taken off R&D and put back on to test in favour of a new starter.
I was pretty pissed off.
Half an hour later the boss came to see me and said the new lad couldnt cope with R&D and would I go back.
I went back but wasnt happy about the way I had been treat.
Another year went by and they took on a degree qualified hardware engineer and again I was shoved back on test.
So I walked out.
The next day the companies accountant came to see me and said they needed me back as no one else could write Z80 software. The new man was hardware only.
I went back for a substantial rise in wages.
I stuck it out for a year when yet again a new software engineer was taken on and replaced me.
That week I was at a electronics show in London and on the way down got chatting to an electronics business owner and he offered me a job which I took.
3 months after I left previous business they went bust.
What goes around comes around.
tggzzz:

--- Quote from: MK14 on September 09, 2023, 01:03:42 am ---
--- Quote from: abeyer on September 08, 2023, 11:33:14 pm ---
--- Quote from: MK14 on September 08, 2023, 09:31:01 pm ---I'm worried that all these spelling checkers, all over the place and easy looking up the spelling with google and so fourth.  Have been weakening peoples spelling skills.

Also, I wonder how much less people read (books/magazines/stuff), these days, compared to a number of decades ago.  Which also might weaken peoples abilities in some areas.

Also, with common place, modern day emails, texts, printers and other modern aids.  There is less and less opportunity, for people to keep their handwriting skills, in regular practice.

--- End quote ---

Quote from: Socrates on <Error: integer underflow>

--- Quote ---And now, since you are the father of writing, your affection for it has made you describe its effects as the opposite of what they really are. In fact, it will introduce forgetfulness into the soul of those who learn it: they will not practice using their memory because they will put their trust in writing, which is external and depends on signs that belong to others, instead of trying to remember from the inside, completely on their own.
--- End quote ---

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Thanks!
That is a very, very good point.  History repeating itself.

(IIRC) When calculators were first, being introduced to schools, and were suddenly rapidly becoming cheaper and cheaper, and much more common place, and people would make jokes on the lines of, a calculator would come free inside a Kellogg's cornflake packet (which use to come with, free tiny/small toys, to persuade kids, to nag their parents to get those particular cereal packets).

Because they would cause, mass loss of the populations abilities to perform mental arithmetic, WITHOUT a calculator.

Also, it would stop people from practising doing standard arithmetic calculations, using pen and paper.

I think (IIRC), there was a significant outcry, when cheap Biro-pens (i.e. NOT fountain pens), became very common-place.  Because "handwriting isn't proper, without being done, with a quality fountain ink pen".

The reality is fountain pens, can cause terrible permanent ink mess all over the place, on clothes and hands, and the ink can smudge like crazy.  It also tends to leak through to the other side of the paper, and the pens can leak, badly from pockets, making an awful mess.

--- End quote ---

I remember echoes of the Biro/fountain pen outcry.

I remember the calculator outcry. I too used the analogy with writing when discussing the issue with some teachers. They didn't like it :)

Not sure why the school taught us to use slide rules and Odhners(?)

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