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coppercone2:
even for day to day operations its a benefit towards making people not hate you. if you need to work with someone and you got deep zoom then you can get by doing 1/2 the measurements for zeroing in on specifics, even something simple like a switch.

then you have a '45 minute guy' and the 'never ending meeting' guy that a tech or coworker might need to work with. they don't wanna be sitting with you all day because you can't get what you want for them to write down. like if they keep having to redo something on a PC.
Ice-Tea:
Fun story: when visiting a Chinese ODM's design office in Shenzen, they both had high end Rigol/Sigilent and Keysight/Tek testgear.

The Rigols and Sigilents were in the cupboard, the Teks and Keysights were on the bench.
HalFET:
In SMEs I saw it get bypassed, in large corporations with a working quality management system that demands paperwork, and fat chance you're getting an actual calibration certificate or traceable safety test paperwork from these cheaper manufacturers.
Someone:

--- Quote from: HalFET on November 22, 2023, 10:50:37 pm ---In SMEs I saw it get bypassed, in large corporations with a working quality management system that demands paperwork, and fat chance you're getting an actual calibration certificate or traceable safety test paperwork from these cheaper manufacturers.
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Sure, but how much of the test equipment in a large organisation is inside the calibration/quality system? When that sort of system is in place the equipment I would use day to day (from "A" brands) had big stickers reminding the user it was not known to be accurate and outside the calibration chain.

Does a firmware engineer really care about the voltage accuracy of a I2C bus? or just wants to check its roughly correct and the timing between bytes/messages is what was expected? Neither would that have any safety implications on the choice of instrument.

Having ready access to sufficient test equipment is better than waiting for something more than sufficient.
rsjsouza:

--- Quote from: Kanbus on November 19, 2023, 07:50:07 pm ---What's your thoughts?

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That was quite a bad video overall. I listened to about 75% of it and its SNR is quite low due to his wild tangents and circular reasoning. His presentation detracts a lot from his credibility. The vast majority of claims based solely on opinion and not facts, tied to the excessive use of foul language and the nice beer on the side do no favours  - it gave me the image of the slightly drunk uncle talking heated topics on a family dinner.

There are several weird things you pointed out, but upfront the wild claim that "all is BS" highlights his lack of expertise with the wide variety of test equipment in use across the industry. Sure, the title of the video is about "Tek oscilloscopes", but his claimed expertise should have taught him that many other types of instruments exist and require more specialized calibration/maintenance services than the typical DSO/DMM/SpecAn trio (protocol analyzers, for example). Not only that but what would a T&M manufacturer do to calibrate and adjust their newly manufactured product? Send it to a third party calibration center? I sincerely doubt it would be more cost effective. Oh well... Perhaps was the beer talking, I don't know...


--- Quote from: Kanbus on November 19, 2023, 07:50:07 pm ---In the video he claim he doesn't "owe" anything to the company's that send him free stuff, but insinuate that Dave does because he gets stuff that cost more than the stuff he get's.
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That is the worst part of the video IMO. The "holier than thou" attitude does the opposite to add weight to his proclaimed impartiality and credibility - only to see the pop ups and the description of the video advertise units from Owon, Kaiweets, etc. Everyone is hustling their own way and his glass ceiling can bring him some trouble with the shade cast to a fellow youtuber.


--- Quote from: Kanbus on November 19, 2023, 07:50:07 pm ---He doesn't want to pay Tek prices because they develop and implement educational stuff in their scopes, and as an educator he doesn't want students to learn from these tools, but use "real equipment" in stead.ยด
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The educational market is one of his strongest points but he wanders in very wild tangents about BNC cables not being probes and land on how schools are not preparing students for real life due to the educational material built into the equipment. I agree with this, but the SNR was quite low there.



--- Quote from: Kanbus on November 19, 2023, 07:50:07 pm ---This I don't understand at all: He says they (Tek scopes I assume) doesn't have industrial grade components inside, but commercial grade. But then he say's some might have, but he haven't seen it.
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Well, another void and circular reasoning. If every IC is made in China anyways, it must all have the same quality and no value is placed in scrutiny of parts selection, proper circuit design and manufacturing refinement. It shows his lack of understanding about whole product design and (disingenuously?) props up the other brands he promotes. Or it might also have been the beer talking again...


--- Quote from: Kanbus on November 19, 2023, 07:50:07 pm ---He doesn't care about the life span of the equipment either. If the manufacture no longer offers the product, he'll just buy something better ten years later.
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Again lack of experience. He would be surprised at the age of the (excellent) equipment I still see in quite advanced labs... Sure, a TDS3054 or a Flue 8050 are obsolete for a great deal of tasks, but it is not restricted to that. Longevity is king and lowers TCO.

At around 43 minutes he talks about UI refinement (valid point) but goes on a tangent about font sizes and the difficulty of adjusting the acquisition settings on an oscilloscope from Tek. Several minutes later he talks about how a few months later they come up with a firmware that addresses the two issues. Who is paying for those engineers to implement this? Certainly not Owon and their SDS1202 advertised on his video.

Oh well... I am pretty sure he will have a great deal of views/revenue and clicks due to the title, so all the best on his hustle.

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