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Kanbus:
Here is the video where Eddie rants about Dave's video where he claiming Tek scopes is worth the price:

In the video Eddie also talks about the other major test equipment manufactures and why their prices are "pure bullshit", don't reflect their real value and should come down in price.

In the video he claim he doesn't "owe" anything to the company's that send him free stuff, but insinuate that Dave does because he gets stuff that cost more than the stuff he get's.

Some points from the video:
 He doesn't want to pay Tek prices because they develop and implement educational stuff in their scopes, and as an educator he doesn't want students to
 learn from these tools, but use "real equipment" in stead.

 He had engineers with masters degrees from other countries, working for free at the company he worked for, and taught them to make PSU's for fighter
 jets. They was not as good as him and he got promoted to engineer before he finished school. Quote: "I know what Im talking about"

 This I don't understand at all: He says they (Tek scopes I assume) doesn't have industrial grade components inside, but commercial grade. But then he
 say's some might have, but he haven't seen it.

 Tek scopes - I assume again since he never really specifies - is not made in USA, only some of it.

 When he buys test equipment he doesn't care about supply chains and doesn't look up how they source components. It is only fx. when stuff goes into an
 aircraft it might come into play.
 He doesn't care about the life span of the equipment either. If the manufacture no longer offers the product, he'll just buy something better ten years later.

 He says people doesn't know what they talk about. Then he holds up a fluke and calls it the worst multimeter, and people are stupid blowing their money
 on it.


This is in the first 22 minutes of the video. It's an hour long, and i can't write it all up, but it continues in the same manner.



I have seen lots of he's reviews of cheap Chinese test equipment. he's especially fond of Kaiweets. This one for example is a review of pen type multimeter: and
From my watching he seems to seldom go over much more than the claimed specs and test some Ohms and voltages. No real use cases.
On this one the only real criticism is that the board is visible through battery compartment and the display is not the best.
He measures a 10 Ohm resistor, gets a wrong reading in the slowest continuity mode I've seen in a long time. he's only comment is "that's interesting".
You can of course buy it of the affiliate link he has.

My thought's on it all is that he doesn't really present the facts, but only talks from own experience. When he reviews products he "forgets" the negatives.

The man is fortunate enough to live in a first world country, and it sounds like he doesn't appreciate that the top tier test and measurement equipment manufactures is from the country he lives in, creates well paying jobs and THEIR technology trickles down for hes favourite Chinese company to copy.

I don't work in the T&M industry, and don't have first hand experience, but for me it sounds like he's the one bullshitting.

I don't hate Chinese T&M equipment. I both have and had some. The stuff i have I consider to be fine and it fills my needs, the stuff I had was either so bad it broke or i just got rid of it.

What's your thoughts?

Dave:
Scopes are expensive because development costs are enormous and the quantities are relatively small. And apparently, engineers are still going to buy them even at $20k a pop.
One doesn't need an MBA to figure this out.

Considering how much shit Dave has given various manufacturers over the years for skimping on components and cutting corners, I wouldn't exactly call him a favorable reviewer. But his attitude is exactly what makes him trustworthy in the eyes of us, the buyers of test equipment, so manufacturers will keep on sending him stuff to review/scrutinize.

armandine2:
Dave may well have set some sort of YouTube template, which other EEs might follow but grudgingly.

... over 90% of the electronics videos I watch I fail to complete - mostly because they are vague narratives not applicable to the student / hobbyist.

teardowns, unboxing, and rants need to be especially well made/considered to cut through. 

nctnico:

--- Quote from: Dave on November 19, 2023, 08:32:15 pm ---Scopes are expensive because development costs are enormous and the quantities are relatively small. And apparently, engineers are still going to buy them even at $20k a pop.
One doesn't need an MBA to figure this out.

--- End quote ---
Agreed. The amount of software running in a modern day DSO is mind boggling. For the mid range ones ($2k to $20k) you are likely talking 5 to 15 working years worth of development time. The hardware cost is peanuts in comparison to the software. So much so that you basically get a universal piece of hardware which is made more or less functionalby means of software options nowadays.

Where it comes to Dave's videos being more popular is because Dave simply is more easy / pleasant to watch & listen to. From Dave you get a consistent story and he doesn't seem to need a script to do that. OTOH the Kiss Analog guy is tiresome to watch & listen to. So he must be a good engineer  8)

SiliconWizard:
If you designed / participated in designing a modern scope, you would actually realize that their market price is ridiculously low.

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