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| Rigby:
--- Quote from: Phaedrus on May 17, 2014, 04:07:42 am ---Calm down, Dan Brown. 1st, not sure Dave wants a politics argument on here. 2nd, there's a lot of things you apparently don't know about American firearms legislation, judging by your post, so education is needed before a proper debate could be had. So there's that. --- End quote --- So fucking educate me then, since you know everything. Also, you didn't counter any point I made. |
| Phaedrus:
Ok, cool it. First, would you snap at someone if they told you you needed to be educated about some facet of electronics before embarking on a project? Probably not. If I had a comprehensive source for you I'd link it, but there aren't many comprehensive and unbiased reviews of US gun laws that I'm aware of. Second, you didn't make any points worth arguing with. You pointed out some of the flaws of our judicial / corrections system, which I wholeheartedly agree with. Then you went on an emotional rant telling people to shoot you if they disagree with you. I still don't know Dave's opinion on political debates on non-electronics or energy related subjects. I doubt he'd tolerate a religious debate, so I don't know his stance on a gun debate. That's up to him to decide. We're already wildly off-topic, though we already were before you joined the thread. Basically, I want to know what Dave's stance is regarding discussion on this topic; then if he doesn't mind maybe we can start a thread dedicated to that subject. But for now, you're getting all riled up over something that you should really approach in a calmer fashion. |
| FrankenPC:
I would think that a little creative thinking about deterrents would yield good solutions. How about a button press digital pad lock? if you don't press the buttons in the right order, it won't turn on. The device is rendered useless if someone rips it off. How about manufacturers offering theft protection as a value add? Something along the lines of: if it gets ripped off, then they will sell you a replacement for the cost of just the hardware? If you have homeowners insurance, then that makes the process of getting brand new replacements that much easier. I know these ideas aren't fabulous. But, the problem is real and very f'king annoying. We need to throw some technology smarts at the problem. |
| Rigby:
--- Quote from: Phaedrus on May 17, 2014, 04:18:24 am ---Ok, cool it. First, would you snap at someone if they told you you needed to be educated about some facet of electronics before embarking on a project? Probably not. If I had a comprehensive source for you I'd link it, but there aren't many comprehensive and unbiased reviews of US gun laws that I'm aware of. Second, you didn't make any points worth arguing with. You pointed out some of the flaws of our judicial / corrections system, which I wholeheartedly agree with. Then you went on an emotional rant telling people to shoot you if they disagree with you. I still don't know Dave's opinion on political debates on non-electronics or energy related subjects. I doubt he'd tolerate a religious debate, so I don't know his stance on a gun debate. That's up to him to decide. We're already wildly off-topic, though we already were before you joined the thread. Basically, I want to know what Dave's stance is regarding discussion on this topic; then if he doesn't mind maybe we can start a thread dedicated to that subject. But for now, you're getting all riled up over something that you should really approach in a calmer fashion. --- End quote --- Our posts will get deleted if we're out of line. The "point a gun at me instead" is a short circuiting disarmament technique. Can't use a threat against me if I suggested it first. One can only meet my escalation and not exceed it. I've been in enough gun control "discussions" to know how quickly death threats come about. Removing the temptation to threaten me forces my ...opponent (can't think of a better term at the moment) to consider the other things I'm saying and argue those points, rather than just go straight to threats. |
| Rigby:
--- Quote from: FrankenPC on May 17, 2014, 04:38:17 am ---I would think that a little creative thinking about deterrents would yield good solutions. How about a button press digital pad lock? if you don't press the buttons in the right order, it won't turn on. The device is rendered useless if someone rips it off. How about manufacturers offering theft protection as a value add? Something along the lines of: if it gets ripped off, then they will sell you a replacement for the cost of just the hardware? If you have homeowners insurance, then that makes the process of getting brand new replacements that much easier. I know these ideas aren't fabulous. But, the problem is real and very f'king annoying. We need to throw some technology smarts at the problem. --- End quote --- Short term, I would say that insurance and physical security are the answer. Long term, just do a better job of parenting, as a society, and we simply won't have lots of thieves anymore. That last sentence may create vigorous objection in you, but consider the possibility that how one raises their children will stay with those children their entire lives. If one raises a child in an environment where taking without permission is not punished, and the reward of the taken item(s) not removed, that person will not see a lot of reason to obey property rights as an adult. My brother was one of these people, and after spending 1/2 of his life in prison by the age of 36, he finally got tired of it, or got good enough to not get caught. He told me that he considered any items he could reach without being handcuffed as fair game. That is, if he could get to something he wanted and get away with the item(s) without being arrested, that the current owner didn't really want it at all. He said that this is a common justification. My point is that people who are raised even halfway properly know better. If society just stepped up its parenting, theft would effectively disappear in a single generation, barring any apocolyptic scenarios which would make stealing necessary for survival, anyway. (The Yellowstone caldera scares the wizz out of me.) |
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