LBRY is full of pr0n. A virtuous Linux creator ups and leaves..

[Ed.Kloonk]

[edy]

Who knew.... I never signed up or signed in, and I never thought to look at the SETTINGS button which lets you change content settings. Lo and behold, there is a checkmark (which was left unchecked) for "Show mature content" which was unbeknown to me and perhaps most people who visit LBRY for the first time. The video linked above does open one's eyes.     

I was considering maybe using LBRY as a secondary site for my channel, after Dave mentioned he uses it for EEVBlog. However,  my understanding is that LBRY will let you monetize but viewers have to pay to view, as there is no ad-supported monetization. While it may be insignificant to charge people even 1 penny, the fact that they need to pay somehow may be too much of a hassle for most people to bother. Perhaps if their site injects bit-mining code into your browser so that it mines some bitcoin while you are on their site, it will "pay" for the video views automatically that way?

Maybe LBRY will be forced as it grows to drop more "questionable" content from the site. However, having a completely open unfettered site does have some advantages for content creators. I guess we'll see what happens. 

By the way.... has anyone noticed that you can right click on any video and choose "Save video as..." which will save a stream.mp4 file to your computer. It's not the greatest quality but it's still pretty good. I know there are tools to download YouTube videos, but this option on LBRY makes it ridiculously simple! Not sure if I would like that as a content creator.

[KaneTW]

Honestly I approve of not restricting what content is allowed on your site. Add some visible content filters and you're fine.

[Halcyon]

Honestly I approve of not restricting what content is allowed on your site. Add some visible content filters and you're fine.

Absolutely.

I see porn on LBRY as a positive thing, not a negative thing (and not for the reasons one would normally assume).

[Ed.Kloonk]

I just want to know why I wasn't informed earlier.   

[KaneTW]

Yep. My main reasons are

a) restricting content paves the way to pseudo-censorship
b) it combats the negative stigma of sex work
c) explicit content shouldn't be something frowned upon
d) the line between educational and explicit content can be rather thin sometimes

[tggzzz]

Rule of thumb: if organised crime adopts a comms technology, then it will probably be successful. Examples:

• long distance telephones for bootlegging
• VCRs for images with lots of pink
• pagers for drug drops

[Cerebus]

Gosh, man discovers that something on the Internet that can be used for porn is used for porn. Stop the presses.

I can happily cope with the idea that someone who identifies as <insert religion> and finds that something they are using conflicts with <insert religion> and chooses to stop using it. The only comment that is necessary on their part is something like "<insert platform> carries content that I'm not comfortable with because I'm an adherent of <insert religion> so I've stopped using it. The content is <insert religious restriction> and as an adherent of <insert religion> I'd advise you to avoid it too." and then they should shut up.

What galls me is that by 4 1/2 minutes into his 24 minute video I've already heard too many times about how virtuous he is because he's leaving money on the table while his channel is climbing the ratings, yadda, yadda, yadda. Strangely the very founder of his particular religion expressly told people not to go around telling people how virtuous you are when you're going something that is regarded as 'good' (Matthew chapter six for those who want to look it up).

It never ceases to amaze me how much more time some religious types will spend on obsessing about what they see as bad behaviour on the behalf of others rather than on going out and doing something good themselves. Oh wait, didn't that founder guy have something to say about planks and splinters? it's notable that those who do go out and do something to actively help other people tend to be the quiet ones not shouting about what they're doing or shouting about what other people shouldn't do.

[Cerebus]

• VCRs for images with lots of pink

Do you mean "My Little Pony"? 

[edy]

I don't specifically care what is on LBRY... the settings are there for people to use as they see fit. I'm just wondering if you put videos on it, is it possible to monetize for people who haven't bought LBC (LBRY bitcoins?). Perhaps they can include ads on a video-by-video basis if you choose the option... but that could introduce censorship based on who wants to advertise with you or on their site. Alternatively putting a bitcoin miner on the page perhaps could create revenue, although that would also slow down computers. It's good to have a repository of content independent of YouTube but will creators feel the pinch financially? People don't particularly want to sign in, buy LBC's and so on. But if they don't, nothing they watch gets any money either. I guess it could be where you put up a shorter free commercial video for your main video, which you then charge for... that could work.

[wraper]

d) the line between educational and explicit content can be rather thin sometimes

Well, there is one gay "educational" music video on Vimeo. Which in the end turns out to be gay pr0n. I'm quite amazed how it passed. Seriously, don't watch it as it cannot be unseen vimeo.com/200672866

[langwadt]

Rule of thumb: if organised crime adopts a comms technology, then it will probably be successful. Examples:

• long distance telephones for bootlegging
• VCRs for images with lots of pink
• pagers for drug drops

and they all have one thing in common; the government trying to prevent people from getting something they really really want, failing miserably and accomplishing nothing but giving organized crime a monopoly and giant profits

here "images with lots of pink" were legalized in 1969, I don't think there were many VCRs around back then

[BravoV]

Yep. My main reasons are

a) restricting content paves the way to pseudo-censorship
b) it combats the negative stigma of sex work
c) explicit content shouldn't be something frowned upon
d) the line between educational and explicit content can be rather thin sometimes

How about child pornography ?

[NiHaoMike]

Alternatively putting a bitcoin miner on the page perhaps could create revenue, although that would also slow down computers.

What I would like to see is a coin that's "mined" by sharing bandwidth, since that uses a lot less electricity than compute intensive mining. Just that so far, nobody has made that work in practice. Perhaps it would be done by hosting public hotspots that require payment to connect (albeit at a far cheaper rate than cellular) with Tor as a backend to get around the usual problems of hosting an open AP on your home connection.

[edy]

I might join LBRY and put up content that I have uploaded to YouTube but for whatever reason YouTube has refused to monetize. For example, stuff that is not obscene, but may not be advertiser-friendly. Things like surgical procedures, target shooting or reviews on firearms, and so on. So completely viewable on YouTube without any restrictions on age, but just unable to monetize due to advertiser limitations. What do I have to lose in that case?

[coppice]

Quite a few of the alternatives to YouTube have somewhat lax attitudes to content, from pr0n to some quite extreme political and religious views.

Most alternatives to YouTube position themselves as free speech platforms. The only lax attitudes you can have on a free speech platform are poor reliability and censoring stuff.

Youtube is brimming over with material I find quite offensive, but I don't want that material to be suppressed.

[coppice]

Quite a few of the alternatives to YouTube have somewhat lax attitudes to content, from pr0n to some quite extreme political and religious views.

Most alternatives to YouTube position themselves as free speech platforms. The only lax attitudes you can have on a free speech platform are poor reliability and censoring stuff.

Youtube is brimming over with material I find quite offensive, but I don't want that material to be suppressed.

Please don't quote me out of context, nowhere did I say I wanted it suppressed.

What other interpretation do you expect the reader to see in the term "lax attitude" to describe something which is actually policy?

[GeorgeOfTheJungle]

d) the line between educational and explicit content can be rather thin sometimes

Well, there is one gay "educational" music video on Vimeo. Which in the end turns out to be gay pr0n. I'm quite amazed how it passed. Seriously, don't watch it as it cannot be unseen vimeo.com/200672866

iANAL (® Apple)

[edy]

Ok so I joined LBRY to see what it is all about and have it syncing the YouTube channel where I put up my old ALL ORIGINAL music compositions (mostly stuff I did in high school and university using MIDI synthesizers). I barely get any views on the music anyways, so I don't really care that LBRY now has it. We'll see what happens! I earned a few LBC's as a sign up bonus, but I don't expect to make any money with this at all. The main point is to understand how it works as a creator.

I sometimes do piano covers as well but worried to place it on my main channel as I always wonder about the extent of copyright law on YouTube. It is probably rare to get a strike on a piano cover and the algorithms probably wouldn't detect it as a "match" to any copyrighted music library... But could be that copyright holders do blanket searches for video descriptions and flag based on that too. Also it may raise flags if a video starts getting very popular and gets many hits.

So the question remains, how likely is copyright on piano covers enforced by LBRY, YouTube or anyone for that matter? And LBRY has to comply still to copyright, I don't think it's a free-for-all on there? I see they have a section dealing with copyright and DCMA requests and so on, but I can't understand the decentralized nature of the service and "seeders" and how this differs from YouTube. Maybe they also don't auto-scan audio from your video... so unless somebody actually watches it and files a complaint, it is not going to be flagged. YouTube has put copyright claims against some of my videos just because in the background on a cruise-ship there was some music playing over the PA system (very crappy quality for that matter, with people talking all over it)!

One of the weird things I've noticed is that to login to LBRY you have to type in your email and get a verification link to your email to sign in each time. Is there no username/password page to login? There are also a number of other issues I've noticed... The LBC is not showing up properly. I have a list of transactions but it now shows 0 LBC. Not sure why I'm getting all sorts of glitches... is the site ok or do I need to refresh my cache or restart browser? Anyone else find it is not ready for prime time?

[Mr. Scram]

What's the gist of that 24 minute video?

[GeorgeOfTheJungle]

If they ever become as popular as youtube, they'll do the same things as youtube.

[PlainName]

What's the gist of that 24 minute video?

Chap's too lazy to think of typing owt and expects his viewer to spend half an hour finding out not a lot.

It's a bit like subscriptions: who could begrudge a measly 25 mins? Just as who could begrudge a paltry £3 a month or whatever? 'S OK for just the one, but lots of them soon add up. I really wish 'creators' (they ain't, they're just very lazy boys) would leave the videos for stuff that demonstrates and just provided a blog or transcript for stuff where only their lips move. Better, just a precis and executive summary.

[edy]

What's the gist of that 24 minute video?

The gist is... "I don't want my content on a site that has adult (explicit) videos on it as well"... and he argues this from a moral ethical standing. On the other hand, there are settings which you can use to filter out this stuff, although a few things still get through (due to inadequate content descriptions/tagging by the uploader) but usually sort out after the community reports it as being NSFW. Also, he received some questionable emails/spam alerting him to adult content on LBRY which he didn't like either.

What the video SHOULD HAVE argued, perhaps also making a better case, is not about the morality of posting to a site that tries to be as uncensored as possible, but as to the LBRY platform as a whole and how it can benefit creators... or whether there are issues with it. How is it better? How is it worse? What are the limitations/weaknesses and strengths? Is monetization practical and can creators earn enough on it? Is the technology robust enough, glitchy, and what can be done to make it more relevant and attractive as an alternative to YouTube for viewers?

That would have been more interesting than talking about one's own moral beliefs about whether or not LBRY should or shouldn't be hosting adult content or not. While that may be important for some people, what is important to all creators is some of the other points I touched upon above.

I am curious to know what Dave has experienced so far with LBRY and how much has it helped his channel (to which I just subscribed on LBRY), whether it cannibalizes from his YouTube viewers or actually grows his following, and his thoughts regarding LBC's versus YouTube adsense revenue. I feel like it is still a big experiment and could implode any day.

[EDIT: Ok I'm starting to understand how LBRY works... very different than YouTube, completely different underlying technology and system for making it work, and how it uses everyone's computers to distribute content across the entire web. You get "paid" by viewing videos because you are actually downloading and become part of the hive, like bittorrent... you host the videos!!!! And have to "pay" to publish a video.

I started viewing Dave's LBRY EEVBlog videos and stepped away from the computer... a few hours later and I have about 3 or 4 of Dave's videos on my computer, since it keeps playing the next video... Using up my hard drive and bandwidth. I ended up gaining another LBC... and had to open up port 3333 which is what the LBRY app uses. Not sure if I love this model but I get it.]

[Ed.Kloonk]

What's the gist of that 24 minute video?

I thought the thread title would have self explanatory enough for those interested enough. I realize now he takes too long to get to the point.

In this case, there was concern that if I added my own commentary, I risk filling the thread with replies confirming or denying certain beliefs. I was actually hoping to hear more from creators moving from youtube to LBRY.

A time code link at the point of knot several minutes in might have been the shot.

Sorry about that.

[Ed.Kloonk]

What's the gist of that 24 minute video?

The gist is... "I don't want my content on a site that has adult (explicit) videos on it as well"... and he argues this from a moral ethical standing. On the other hand, there are settings which you can use to filter out this stuff, although a few things still get through (due to inadequate content descriptions/tagging by the uploader) but usually sort out after the community reports it as being NSFW. Also, he received some questionable emails/spam alerting him to adult content on LBRY which he didn't like either.

What the video SHOULD HAVE argued, perhaps also making a better case, is not about the morality of posting to a site that tries to be as uncensored as possible, but as to the LBRY platform as a whole and how it can benefit creators... or whether there are issues with it. How is it better? How is it worse? What are the limitations/weaknesses and strengths? Is monetization practical and can creators earn enough on it? Is the technology robust enough, glitchy, and what can be done to make it more relevant and attractive as an alternative to YouTube for viewers?

That would have been more interesting than talking about one's own moral beliefs about whether or not LBRY should or shouldn't be hosting adult content or not. While that may be important for some people, what is important to all creators is some of the other points I touched upon above.

I am curious to know what Dave has experienced so far with LBRY and how much has it helped his channel (to which I just subscribed on LBRY), whether it cannibalizes from his YouTube viewers or actually grows his following, and his thoughts regarding LBC's versus YouTube adsense revenue. I feel like it is still a big experiment and could implode any day.

[EDIT: Ok I'm starting to understand how LBRY works... very different than YouTube, completely different underlying technology and system for making it work, and how it uses everyone's computers to distribute content across the entire web. You get "paid" by viewing videos because you are actually downloading and become part of the hive, like bittorrent... you host the videos!!!! And have to "pay" to publish a video.

I started viewing Dave's LBRY EEVBlog videos and stepped away from the computer... a few hours later and I have about 3 or 4 of Dave's videos on my computer, since it keeps playing the next video... Using up my hard drive and bandwidth. I ended up gaining another LBC... and had to open up port 3333 which is what the LBRY app uses. Not sure if I love this model but I get it.]

Thanks, man.