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LBRY is full of pr0n. A virtuous Linux creator ups and leaves..
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tggzzz:

--- Quote from: edy on February 18, 2020, 05:46:54 pm ---[EDIT: Ok I'm starting to understand how LBRY works... very different than YouTube, completely different underlying technology and system for making it work, and how it uses everyone's computers to distribute content across the entire web. You get "paid" by viewing videos because you are actually downloading and become part of the hive, like bittorrent... you host the videos!!!! And have to "pay" to publish a video.

I started viewing Dave's LBRY EEVBlog videos and stepped away from the computer... a few hours later and I have about 3 or 4 of Dave's videos on my computer, since it keeps playing the next video... Using up my hard drive and bandwidth. I ended up gaining another LBC... and had to open up port 3333 which is what the LBRY app uses. Not sure if I love this model but I get it.]

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If the police take a look at your computer, what would they find?
How would you explain what they found?
If you refuse to hand over encryption keys (or they think you are refusing), go to jail.

And apart from that, if you are trying to build a brand, you really really don't want it polluted by association.
Large companies get very irritated when legal but inappropriate adverts are shown alongside their stuff.
NivagSwerdna:
I must admit I followed the link on mailbag and then saw where he had clickbaited me to and thought...
No... No... No.
No thanks
edy:

--- Quote from: tggzzz on February 19, 2020, 07:51:56 am ---If the police take a look at your computer, what would they find?
How would you explain what they found?
If you refuse to hand over encryption keys (or they think you are refusing), go to jail.

And apart from that, if you are trying to build a brand, you really really don't want it polluted by association.
Large companies get very irritated when legal but inappropriate adverts are shown alongside their stuff.

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You have an option to delete anything from your computer... but still I don't like that everything you watch gets fully downloaded and stored and accessed by everyone else half a world away. It's not stuff on my computer I'm worried about... if a criminal on the other side of the world is being traced and they see connections to my IP address they may wonder what is going on.

The other thing is you have to keep deleting stuff or it will keep downloading. Pretty soon not only fill your hard drive but as people watch content you are also "seeding" so your bandwidth is getting used up too. Most people have better download speeds than upload speed. If you are doing a lot of uploading you may feel a further bottleneck. Lastly, my understanding is that all activity including who downloads and uploads and watches and pays is being added to the block chain. Does that mean everything you do on LBRY is open by everyone else to see? Or only transactions? How private are your viewing habits and what you choose to host or pay for?

So on the flip-side remember the whole point of this is to make it a robust platform that cannot be easily taken down. Because files are hosted everywhere, ports can be changed, seemingly it can thwart some basic attempts at blockage. I assume all the packets are encrypted end to end so it would be difficult to packet-scan and see what protocol is being used. Maybe they have a specific signature. Anyways, it is not a substitute for YouTube... we can all agree to that. It is an very DIFFERENT alternative distribution method that is trying to cater to the needs of creators and viewers and has introduced an interesting way to allow monetization.
tggzzz:

--- Quote from: edy on February 19, 2020, 11:39:13 am ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on February 19, 2020, 07:51:56 am ---If the police take a look at your computer, what would they find?
How would you explain what they found?
If you refuse to hand over encryption keys (or they think you are refusing), go to jail.

And apart from that, if you are trying to build a brand, you really really don't want it polluted by association.
Large companies get very irritated when legal but inappropriate adverts are shown alongside their stuff.

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You have an option to delete anything from your computer... but still I don't like that everything you watch gets fully downloaded and stored and accessed by everyone else half a world away. It's not stuff on my computer I'm worried about... if a criminal on the other side of the world is being traced and they see connections to my IP address they may wonder what is going on.

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That, of course, is one obvious mechanism that could cause the authorities to look at your computer.

"I didn't put it there", "I didn't know it was there" are going to be difficult to sell to a typical jury.
Cerebus:

--- Quote from: tggzzz on February 19, 2020, 12:51:16 pm ---"I didn't put it there", "I didn't know it was there" are going to be difficult to sell to a typical jury.

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I don't know. I think it would probably be quite easy to get a typical jury to accept that there's stuff buried on your computer that you haven't a clue is there because you could demonstrate to the average juror that they have lots of 'stuff' on their own computers that they have no clue is there. That, however, may not be the problem.

Child pornography is a tricky one here in the UK. As it stands mere possession of child pornography is an offence. You can be in possession, not know it, and still be committing an offence. There are real issues with this. I was involved peripherally in early UK efforts to stamp out child pornography online. During this time the law in the UK changed, and where before the law made it illegal to make such an image with criminal intentions, the aspect of intent was removed making this act an absolute offence. Taking a copy by downloading something had been held to be "making" under the law. This caused both us and the police problems, as it was now illegal to possess such indecent images even though your intent in possessing them was to seize them as evidence, or use them to create automated filters to detect child pornography, or for any other legitimate purpose associated with trying to stamp them out.

This trap was hedged around by a tacit understanding that if you were known to be 'one of the good guys' then you wouldn't be prosecuted - it should be obvious the myriad ways in which this was unsatisfactory and the potential for abuse that it introduces. When the Met made a complete pig's ear of treating a family in Forest Gate as suspected terrorists, raiding their house, ripping it apart to search every crevice and even shooting one of them a computer that had been seized, searched comprehensively for terrorist materials and found clean, suddenly had child pornography found on it after it had become clear that the police had made a horrible mistake and ripped a completely innocent family's lives apart. Eventually, no action was taken on the possession of child pornography charges and it all went very quiet on the subject. What everybody suspects is that a police officer had planted evidence in an attempt to 'rescue' the massive violent raid against completely innocent people because paedophiles are so hated that it would be OK in the public eye that the police had treated them so horribly.

The issue of knowing that you are in possession of child pornography has thankfully now been dealt with in case law and it is now recognised as a legitimate defence if you don't know you have it.  However, by the point you are in court proving this your life has already been ruined. It is disappointing that this has not been dealt with by statue and this tells you all you need to know about the state's attitude towards people they incriminate by careless drafting of laws.

As it stands, in the UK the quickest way to utterly destroy someone is to hide a stash of child pornography on their computer and tip the police off. If you're the victim of this don't expect the police or the public to treat you in any way fairly as they will have all gone 'red mist' at the moment that they hear you are accused of possessing child pornography.
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