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Leaky toner
Whales:
--- Quote from: tooki on October 06, 2022, 08:44:29 am ---And don’t forget that toner is designed to hold a static charge, so it sticks to things, and shouldn’t be vacuumed with a standard vacuum cleaner because of the risk of static discharge causing a dust explosion. (No, really: this is why they sell special toner vacuums, which are anti-static.)
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I forget this. Some toner apparently goes through a vacuum cleaner's filters too, covering the motor and your lungs. Have not tried, cannot confirm, could be a falsehood but I don't want to find out.
EDIT: Interesting claims by this person that claims to be a printer tech.
--- Quote ---Canon, Konica and Richo Color tech here (13 years exp.) Fuck Sharp, Konica and Xerox. I can tell you that you CAN and SHOULD use a vacuum and water on your toner spills. Do not touch it until you can vacuum it and then wash in Cold Cold water. I wore white long sleeved shirts the whole time and never once got rid of one because of toner. Grease, ink and tares... Yes. Oh, and I have pics of this kind of thing with pretty colors too. heh
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PlainName:
There seem to be several reasons given for not using a vacuum:
* Static leading to dust explosion
* Creating a breathable cloud of toner
* Getting into the vacuum motor (causing a short)
* Getting into the vacuum motor (causing a jam due to melting into parts)
The service manual seems to be primarily concerned with the latter, which is not to say the others aren't real problems, just that they don't feature as boldly.
For a spill, a cloth to wipe up isn't appropriate (the recommended way of cleaning the printer), and a dustpan and brush is just going to spread it, so vacuum it is. I use a Dyson which isn't static safe but has jolly good filtering - none of the toner made it out of the cyclone to the hepa filters (at least, they stayed pleasingly colour-free).
tooki:
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on October 06, 2022, 02:10:32 pm ---There seem to be several reasons given for not using a vacuum:
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Those are reasons to not use a standard vacuum. A toner vacuum is fine to use. In the context of this discussion, it’s critical to state which type of vacuum you’re referring to, because blanket statements do not apply to both kinds! :palm:
Many household vacuums these days have HEPA filters that will protect the ambient air, but in most vacuums, it’s the exhaust filter (so as to catch dust from the motor brushes). So all the other reasons remain. :/
PlainName:
--- Quote ---Those are reasons to not use a standard vacuum.
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That was kind of implied, I thought.
--- Quote --- but in most vacuums, it’s the exhaust filter
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I thought it was kind of obvious that I wrote about what I had done. I was not recommending anything and even listed the issues, so not really sure what beef you have with this.
Perhaps you'd care to rewrite that post to demonstrate how you think it should have appeared?
tooki:
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on October 06, 2022, 06:08:17 pm ---
--- Quote ---Those are reasons to not use a standard vacuum.
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That was kind of implied, I thought.
--- Quote --- but in most vacuums, it’s the exhaust filter
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I thought it was kind of obvious that I wrote about what I had done. I was not recommending anything and even listed the issues, so not really sure what beef you have with this.
Perhaps you'd care to rewrite that post to demonstrate how you think it should have appeared?
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“Implied” is exactly what you should not rely on when making statements which, on their surface, are blanket statements. This is literally the point of my comment.
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on October 06, 2022, 06:08:17 pm ---I thought it was kind of obvious that I wrote about what I had done. I was not recommending anything and even listed the issues, so not really sure what beef you have with this.
Perhaps you'd care to rewrite that post to demonstrate how you think it should have appeared?
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I already said so: specify standard vacuum.
A standard vacuum is a type of vacuum. A toner vacuum is a type of vacuum. So saying things about vacuums means you’re saying things that apply to both, and that’s incorrect, doubly so now that you are aware of the existence of toner vacuums.
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