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LED lighting and planned obsolescence, intentional or not.

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Psi:

--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 05, 2023, 07:50:54 am ---So the only possibilities are inferior products that fail as soon as the warranty is up, or products that last forever? 

I think I need to stop reading EEVblog.  This place is insane!

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I wish i could understand your point of view.
Which of these statements do you disagree with.

1) Most LED lights run way to hot and fail early because of it.

2) The LED lights above would last way longer if they didn't run them so hot.

3) Making them run at under 50C is trivial (be lowering output wattage) and would add next to nothing to product cost. Obviously cost to consumer would be a little higher as they might have to buy more lights or bigger light get same output, but the product lasting for so much longer would make up for that by many times.

4) Most companies are never going to voluntary make changes that cost next to nothing but make longer lasting products because it's going to reduce profit. (unless there's a major shift in public buying habits and people stop trying to save a dollar now even if it cost $5 later)

5) The best way to fix this is for the government to pass some sort of law that prevents companies making consumable products that perform badly when there's no technical reason for it.  Or by forced warranty length in industries where there are these problems, like lighting.
I know the exact law and how it works would need to have a lot of thought. And implementing it is not that easy but i think it's totally doable.



I suspect your issue is with point 5 and I suspect its due to you being very antigovernment regulation.
Which I assume is because the government where you are is maybe not working for the people.
And if so, i would put forward that the issue is then with the government not working, rather than an issue with a law to stop or help reduce planned obsolescent.   Apologies if one of my assumptions in this paragraph is wrong, it's just a guess.

Psi:

--- Quote from: DavidAlfa on August 05, 2023, 08:37:19 am ---What do you call planned obsolescence?
My Ikea bulbs have been working for almost 10 years. Only recently one started flickering.
Going for $1 bulbs is not planned obsolescence, you know the parts inside have John's Goodenough QA.
Bought a chinese bulb as a temporal fix, lasted 4 days  :) :scared:

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Yep, there is a wide range of quality levels and some are ok.

A law to stop planned obsolescence does not need to take the form of regulating how things are made, it can simply be laws that block importing and selling of crap quality products that fail early or forcing warranty lengths.
However that does put a lot of pressure on sellers though, If for example a law said that all LED lights sold must have a 10 year warrantee for example. Then it's almost impossible for a retailer to know if what they are buying is going to last that long when they buy it.

tautech:
I think we as consumers also should share some of the blame when instead we should be insisting on product MTBF specifications.

Psi:

--- Quote from: tautech on August 05, 2023, 09:11:17 am ---I think we as consumers also should share some of the blame when instead we should be insisting on product MTBF specifications.

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Yep absolutely. The core of the problem is most people are pretty stupid, or usually just uneducated, and they're pushing money into companies that produce trash.
There's also the people living pay check to pay check who will always buy the cheapest version they can get their hands on.
If cheap rubbish didn't exist they would perhaps have to deal with less light in their house until they could afford a 2nd light but overall they would be much better off and have more money (not having to replace it every year). And E-waste would be reduced.

tooki:

--- Quote from: Psi on August 05, 2023, 03:03:57 am ---This is why we need legislation against planned obsolescence, either intentional or unintentional.

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How could unintentional planned obsolescence even exist? Planned obsolescence by definition means planning the obsolescence; you can’t unintentionally plan something, since planning requires forethought and intent.

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