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LED lighting and planned obsolescence, intentional or not.
tom66:
--- Quote from: DavidAlfa on August 05, 2023, 08:37:19 am ---What do you call planned obsolescence?
My Ikea bulbs have been working for almost 10 years. Only recently one started flickering.
Going for $1 bulbs is not planned obsolescence, you know the parts inside have John's Goodenough QA.
Bought a chinese bulb as a temporal fix, lasted 4 days :) :scared:
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Agreed. Buy cheap, buy twice... one issue will be a lot of people don't comprehend this and do buy cheap LED bulbs that end in landfill.
Personally I've had only one LED bulb fail on me and that was a novelty smart bulb a friend gifted me. Every other bulb has been rock solid.
Psi:
--- Quote from: PlainName on August 05, 2023, 08:30:58 pm ---
--- Quote from: Psi on August 05, 2023, 09:15:31 am ---There's also the people living pay check to pay check who will always buy the cheapest version they can get their hands on.
If cheap rubbish didn't exist they would perhaps have to deal with less light in their house until they could afford a 2nd light but overall they would be much better off and have more money (not having to replace it every year).
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That assumes they could afford the upfront cost of the 'better' light in the first place. People living in a precarious financial state don't have the funds to invest in the future. Buy a good light and something else doesn't get bought. Or buy a cheap light and the other thing. So it's going to cost them more in the future because they'll buy many cheap lights instead of one good one, but when you don't have the funds to invest that's what happens. Same applies to food (and everything else) - they pay more for their food because they can only afford single-portion sizes and/or poor quality, whereas someone with money will buy in bulk and save overall.
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You seem to have missed the point I was making here. There's no more upfront cost of the "better" light.
The cost is the same. The only difference is the value of the resistor that sets its output wattage which has been changed to reduce the thermals to something that will not fail prematurely. If you can't afford a higher wattage light or multiple lights you just have a dimmer room. But at least you can see everything.
If a room light is changed from 20W to 15W or 10W, sure it's not as nice but it's totally usable. You don't have to drop the power by much to massively increase lifespan.
Also LEDs tend to be more efficient at lower power anyway, so there is additional savings there.
PlainName:
--- Quote ---There's no more upfront cost of the "better" light.
The cost is the same. The only difference is the value of the resistor that sets its output wattage
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That's a manufacturer thing and completely irrelevant to the punter. All they know is the 50p job from China is doable whereas the £15 one from Osram isn't, and you know which will have the resistor of an appropriate value.
Psi:
--- Quote from: PlainName on August 05, 2023, 10:23:31 pm ---
--- Quote ---There's no more upfront cost of the "better" light.
The cost is the same. The only difference is the value of the resistor that sets its output wattage
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That's a manufacturer thing and completely irrelevant to the punter. All they know is the 50p job from China is doable whereas the £15 one from Osram isn't, and you know which will have the resistor of an appropriate value.
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ah, so your argument is that any law for planned obsolescence wouldn't work because people would just privately import the cheap junk from china getting around any regulations?
yep, it's a fair point, but I'd be happy if just the local hardware stores would refuse to sell the cheap junk LED lamps unless they get manufacture to be lower wattage to make them thermally ok.
Stores already have to check things for electrical safety when they import stuff to sell locally. Wouldn't he hard for them to pay attention to the temp the thing runs at.
PlainName:
--- Quote from: Psi on August 05, 2023, 10:35:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: PlainName on August 05, 2023, 10:23:31 pm ---
--- Quote ---There's no more upfront cost of the "better" light.
The cost is the same. The only difference is the value of the resistor that sets its output wattage
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That's a manufacturer thing and completely irrelevant to the punter. All they know is the 50p job from China is doable whereas the £15 one from Osram isn't, and you know which will have the resistor of an appropriate value.
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ah, so your argument is that any law for planned obsolescence wouldn't work because ...
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I've said nothing for or against any such law, regulation, guideline, whatever. You are projecting what you wanted me to have said, but I have not. Please stop.
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