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LED lighting and planned obsolescence, intentional or not.
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Psi:

--- Quote from: tom66 on August 12, 2023, 10:57:07 am ---I'd like to see it extended to most consumer goods too, obvious exceptions for consumables and physical damage but TV's, appliances, phones etc should be warrantied for 5 years minimum.

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You can often make a valid legal argument that if the manufacturer or retailer is offering an extended warranty option for extra cost. Then it's reasonable to expect that type of product should last that long.

So if your local consumer laws state that a product must last for a reasonable length of time then by them offering an option of an extended warranty they have proved what "a reasonable length of time" is and so everyone gets that length warranty for that device under the law.

Of course you have to argue it and the reseller might force you to go to small claims court to win.
But that is usually pretty cheap, being small claims court.  Depending on where you live.
More of a time cost than a money cost.

This is why extended warranty are often a scam.
Zero999:

--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 12, 2023, 10:17:19 am ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 12, 2023, 10:02:57 am ---I'm generally against regulation, but I do support legislation to for a minimum warranty of five years on LED lamps, to cut down on waste. This is easy to do, but most people don't keep receipts and wouldn't bother with warranty claims.

Another option is to have a deposit system, when the customer can return their dead lamp to where they purchased it from, in exchange for a small sum of money. It would make the lamps more expensive, but it will give manufactures more of an incentive to make them last longer. This would probably be more effective, than the first option, but come at greater cost.

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LOL!!!  Both of these ideas are totally impractical.  The warranty is of no use at all, because very few hang onto receipts which will be required for warranty returns.  The deposit has no advantage at all.  It has no impact on the bulb maker.  It's just a hassle for the retailer.

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Are you trolling now? If you bothered to read my post, you'll find I already said it's not perfect, because people don't hang on to receipts, but that doesn't make it worthless.

And large retailers have considerable leverage on suppliers and therefore manufacturers.
gnuarm:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 12, 2023, 11:24:04 am ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 12, 2023, 10:17:19 am ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 12, 2023, 10:02:57 am ---I'm generally against regulation, but I do support legislation to for a minimum warranty of five years on LED lamps, to cut down on waste. This is easy to do, but most people don't keep receipts and wouldn't bother with warranty claims.

Another option is to have a deposit system, when the customer can return their dead lamp to where they purchased it from, in exchange for a small sum of money. It would make the lamps more expensive, but it will give manufactures more of an incentive to make them last longer. This would probably be more effective, than the first option, but come at greater cost.

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LOL!!!  Both of these ideas are totally impractical.  The warranty is of no use at all, because very few hang onto receipts which will be required for warranty returns.  The deposit has no advantage at all.  It has no impact on the bulb maker.  It's just a hassle for the retailer.

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Are you trolling now? If you bothered to read my post, you'll find I already said it's not perfect, because people don't hang on to receipts, but that doesn't make it worthless.

And large retailers have considerable leverage on suppliers and therefore manufacturers.

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There won't be pressure on the retailers, because people won't remember where they bought a lightbulb two years ago, etc., etc., etc.   
gnuarm:

--- Quote from: Psi on August 12, 2023, 10:33:48 am ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 12, 2023, 10:17:19 am --- The warranty is of no use at all, because very few hang onto receipts which will be required for warranty returns. 

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Depends, some places only require receipts for cash refunds.  But if it's a faulty product and you just want to swap it for a good one it's fine without a receipt.

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So buy stuff at Walmart prices and return them to Home Depot?  Sounds good to me!
Psi:

--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 12, 2023, 11:54:23 am ---
--- Quote from: Psi on August 12, 2023, 10:33:48 am ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 12, 2023, 10:17:19 am --- The warranty is of no use at all, because very few hang onto receipts which will be required for warranty returns. 

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Depends, some places only require receipts for cash refunds.  But if it's a faulty product and you just want to swap it for a good one it's fine without a receipt.

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So buy stuff at Walmart prices and return them to Home Depot?  Sounds good to me!

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Why does it sound good to you, it doesn't gain you anything to do that. In both cases all you get is the same replacement item.
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