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LED lighting and planned obsolescence, intentional or not.
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themadhippy:

--- Quote ---I'd like to see it extended to most consumer goods too, obvious exceptions for consumables and physical damage but TV's, appliances, phones etc should be warrantied for 5 years minimum.
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sale of goods act already gives you up to 6 years,but good luck trying to make a claim
tom66:

--- Quote from: themadhippy on August 12, 2023, 01:55:54 pm ---
--- Quote ---I'd like to see it extended to most consumer goods too, obvious exceptions for consumables and physical damage but TV's, appliances, phones etc should be warrantied for 5 years minimum.
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sale of goods act already gives you up to 6 years,but good luck trying to make a claim

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Sale of Goods Act has been repealed for about 8 years now.  You just have the Consumer Rights Act which has the same statutory limit but in all cases beyond 6 months you must demonstrate that the goods are defective from origin, it is not a warranty.
m k:
Not so long ago I changed an incandescent bulb to LED.
So the spot missed the CFL period.

Other place has >15 years old dimmed halogens, small stick it in type of some sort.
Once one stopped operating but tapping the lamp glass brought it back to life.

Seems that we are in the middle of change again.
Now household AC lighting system must go.
No idea how it is with new buildings.
PlainName:

--- Quote from: Psi on August 12, 2023, 11:08:49 am ---
--- Quote from: tom66 on August 12, 2023, 10:57:07 am ---I'd like to see it extended to most consumer goods too, obvious exceptions for consumables and physical damage but TV's, appliances, phones etc should be warrantied for 5 years minimum.

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You can often make a valid legal argument that if the manufacturer or retailer is offering an extended warranty option for extra cost. Then it's reasonable to expect that type of product should last that long.

So if your local consumer laws state that a product must last for a reasonable length of time then by them offering an option of an extended warranty they have proved what "a reasonable length of time" is and so everyone gets that length warranty for that device under the law.

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The other way of looking at this is that the manufacturer is stating that the warranty is only good for the no-extended period (otherwise it would be the extended period free of charge). The extended warranty is in fact insurance, and it's expected that there will be failures during the extended warranty period (hence the charge). So the 'reasonable length of time' would indeed be the normal warranty period.
AVGresponding:

--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 12, 2023, 10:17:19 am ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 12, 2023, 10:02:57 am ---I'm generally against regulation, but I do support legislation to for a minimum warranty of five years on LED lamps, to cut down on waste. This is easy to do, but most people don't keep receipts and wouldn't bother with warranty claims.

Another option is to have a deposit system, when the customer can return their dead lamp to where they purchased it from, in exchange for a small sum of money. It would make the lamps more expensive, but it will give manufactures more of an incentive to make them last longer. This would probably be more effective, than the first option, but come at greater cost.

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LOL!!!  Both of these ideas are totally impractical.  The warranty is of no use at all, because very few hang onto receipts which will be required for warranty returns.  The deposit has no advantage at all.  It has no impact on the bulb maker.  It's just a hassle for the retailer.

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In fact this is already covered under WEEE regulations. There's a small levy on the price in order to fund legacy disposal, and new products have to include recycling as part of their design. Retailers are legally obliged to take old electronic items for recycling. This includes lamps.
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