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gnuarm:

--- Quote from: AVGresponding on August 12, 2023, 07:27:30 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 12, 2023, 10:17:19 am ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 12, 2023, 10:02:57 am ---I'm generally against regulation, but I do support legislation to for a minimum warranty of five years on LED lamps, to cut down on waste. This is easy to do, but most people don't keep receipts and wouldn't bother with warranty claims.

Another option is to have a deposit system, when the customer can return their dead lamp to where they purchased it from, in exchange for a small sum of money. It would make the lamps more expensive, but it will give manufactures more of an incentive to make them last longer. This would probably be more effective, than the first option, but come at greater cost.

--- End quote ---

LOL!!!  Both of these ideas are totally impractical.  The warranty is of no use at all, because very few hang onto receipts which will be required for warranty returns.  The deposit has no advantage at all.  It has no impact on the bulb maker.  It's just a hassle for the retailer.

--- End quote ---

In fact this is already covered under WEEE regulations. There's a small levy on the price in order to fund legacy disposal, and new products have to include recycling as part of their design. Retailers are legally obliged to take old electronic items for recycling. This includes lamps.

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You seem to be confused.  Disposing of bulbs is not a deposit return.  Read what has been discussed.

AVGresponding:

--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 12, 2023, 07:51:19 pm ---
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on August 12, 2023, 07:27:30 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 12, 2023, 10:17:19 am ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 12, 2023, 10:02:57 am ---I'm generally against regulation, but I do support legislation to for a minimum warranty of five years on LED lamps, to cut down on waste. This is easy to do, but most people don't keep receipts and wouldn't bother with warranty claims.

Another option is to have a deposit system, when the customer can return their dead lamp to where they purchased it from, in exchange for a small sum of money. It would make the lamps more expensive, but it will give manufactures more of an incentive to make them last longer. This would probably be more effective, than the first option, but come at greater cost.

--- End quote ---

LOL!!!  Both of these ideas are totally impractical.  The warranty is of no use at all, because very few hang onto receipts which will be required for warranty returns.  The deposit has no advantage at all.  It has no impact on the bulb maker.  It's just a hassle for the retailer.

--- End quote ---

In fact this is already covered under WEEE regulations. There's a small levy on the price in order to fund legacy disposal, and new products have to include recycling as part of their design. Retailers are legally obliged to take old electronic items for recycling. This includes lamps.

--- End quote ---

You seem to be confused.  Disposing of bulbs is not a deposit return.  Read what has been discussed.

--- End quote ---

I'm not confused, but you are a boring troll. The deposit aspect is mostly irrelevant, save to try and get those who don't care about waste to return the lamp themselves. Mostly they are siphoned out of the household waste recycling stream.
Still, the rate is lower than it could be, so maybe a deposit system is something that could be looked at; there was such a system on glass soft drink bottles in this country some years back and it worked well, and is being resurrected in some places.

gnuarm:

--- Quote from: AVGresponding on August 12, 2023, 07:56:43 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 12, 2023, 07:51:19 pm ---
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on August 12, 2023, 07:27:30 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 12, 2023, 10:17:19 am ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 12, 2023, 10:02:57 am ---I'm generally against regulation, but I do support legislation to for a minimum warranty of five years on LED lamps, to cut down on waste. This is easy to do, but most people don't keep receipts and wouldn't bother with warranty claims.

Another option is to have a deposit system, when the customer can return their dead lamp to where they purchased it from, in exchange for a small sum of money. It would make the lamps more expensive, but it will give manufactures more of an incentive to make them last longer. This would probably be more effective, than the first option, but come at greater cost.

--- End quote ---

LOL!!!  Both of these ideas are totally impractical.  The warranty is of no use at all, because very few hang onto receipts which will be required for warranty returns.  The deposit has no advantage at all.  It has no impact on the bulb maker.  It's just a hassle for the retailer.

--- End quote ---

In fact this is already covered under WEEE regulations. There's a small levy on the price in order to fund legacy disposal, and new products have to include recycling as part of their design. Retailers are legally obliged to take old electronic items for recycling. This includes lamps.

--- End quote ---

You seem to be confused.  Disposing of bulbs is not a deposit return.  Read what has been discussed.

--- End quote ---

I'm not confused, but you are a boring troll. The deposit aspect is mostly irrelevant, save to try and get those who don't care about waste to return the lamp themselves. Mostly they are siphoned out of the household waste recycling stream.
Still, the rate is lower than it could be, so maybe a deposit system is something that could be looked at; there was such a system on glass soft drink bottles in this country some years back and it worked well, and is being resurrected in some places.

--- End quote ---

I can't be a troll.  We all know how to handle trolls.  NEVER REPLY TO THEM!  Since you seem obsessed with replying, I think we know who the troll is.

Zero999:

--- Quote from: AVGresponding on August 12, 2023, 07:56:43 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 12, 2023, 07:51:19 pm ---
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on August 12, 2023, 07:27:30 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 12, 2023, 10:17:19 am ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on August 12, 2023, 10:02:57 am ---I'm generally against regulation, but I do support legislation to for a minimum warranty of five years on LED lamps, to cut down on waste. This is easy to do, but most people don't keep receipts and wouldn't bother with warranty claims.

Another option is to have a deposit system, when the customer can return their dead lamp to where they purchased it from, in exchange for a small sum of money. It would make the lamps more expensive, but it will give manufactures more of an incentive to make them last longer. This would probably be more effective, than the first option, but come at greater cost.

--- End quote ---

LOL!!!  Both of these ideas are totally impractical.  The warranty is of no use at all, because very few hang onto receipts which will be required for warranty returns.  The deposit has no advantage at all.  It has no impact on the bulb maker.  It's just a hassle for the retailer.

--- End quote ---

In fact this is already covered under WEEE regulations. There's a small levy on the price in order to fund legacy disposal, and new products have to include recycling as part of their design. Retailers are legally obliged to take old electronic items for recycling. This includes lamps.

--- End quote ---

You seem to be confused.  Disposing of bulbs is not a deposit return.  Read what has been discussed.

--- End quote ---

I'm not confused, but you are a boring troll. The deposit aspect is mostly irrelevant, save to try and get those who don't care about waste to return the lamp themselves. Mostly they are siphoned out of the household waste recycling stream.
Still, the rate is lower than it could be, so maybe a deposit system is something that could be looked at; there was such a system on glass soft drink bottles in this country some years back and it worked well, and is being resurrected in some places.

--- End quote ---
He's doing a good impression of a troll, so I won't respond to him.

I suppose it's not the same as a deposit for bottles, which will be reused, because the lamp won't be, but hopefully much of it will be recycled. The advantage it has over WEEE is it provides an incentive for people to return their dead lamps, as well as for the manufacturers to make them last longer.

tom66:
What on earth is happening in this thread with all the different colours.

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