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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2020, 12:16:56 pm »
Is there some belief that, for some insane reason, computer software and youtube videos are somehow different? They aren't. Advertisements are the way that you pay for the service. Ideally, you click on them so the poor youtube creator can make $0.00002 of revenue for his hard work.

Payment doesn't have to be in money either, it can be in making a name for yourself, or just getting the warm fuzzy from the feedback etc.
 
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« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2020, 12:46:40 pm »
Are you people unaware that the way the universe works is that people receive services, and pay money in return? That's how it works. That's how you have a job. That's how you have money. That's why there are businesses like department stores and supermarkets. That's how it works. You RECEIVE a service, and in turn you PAY for the service.

Is there some belief that, for some insane reason, computer software and youtube videos are somehow different? They aren't. Advertisements are the way that you pay for the service. Ideally, you click on them so the poor youtube creator can make $0.00002 of revenue for his hard work.

Yeah, great, block the ads. And as is happening now, tech and other useful stuff on youtube will dwindle to nothing, and all we'll be left with is videos of cats playing piano that get 25 trillion views.  :palm:

Exactly, we are talking about products. If i don't like them, i don't buy them. Same goes for websites/videos: If i don't like the obscene amounts of ads, i won't view the ads. If a Youtuber or a website only has a modest amounts of ads and i like their content i'll disable my adblocker for them.
It's their choice to plaster everything with annoying video ads if they want to maximize the profit per page visit, but that comes at the cost of annoying people-> not sustainable as almost all visitors will use adblockers or go somewhere else. Sure, switching to nonintrusive ads will lower the profit at first, but it is sustainable when frequent visitors don't mind having a few ads->they will switch off their adblockers, giving you a constant viewerbase that gets you money via ad views.

jogri, you're absolutely right. If you don't like them, don't buy them. And at the end of the day, the vast majority of youtube watchers ONLY are interested in mindless entertainment, and that's all they really like. And that's what they (somewhat unknowingly) support by clicking and liking them.

But just don't come back here in 5 years or whatever complaining "Hey, where are all the serious tech videos?". Personally, I'm convinced that in the not-to-distant future there will be zero sustainable business model for tech youtubers who don't cave to the mindless entertainment crowd. I give it less than 3 years. And all people can do now is delay that a bit by supporting the tech youtubers with what I suggested. But at the end of the day, get ready for nothing but more ads and more mindless music videos and cat videos and cute stuff videos and goofy prank videos. Because that's what people REALLY want.
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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2020, 01:10:10 pm »
I don't see any ads on Youtube because I have premium. A good way to avoid ads and give revenue to creators BTW (minus Youtube's cut of course).
How much do the creators actually get? Last time I checked, it's something like 50%, which only looks good compared to record companies. If it's still low like that and the creators accept some better way for donations, you'll do better using an adblocker and sharing what you would have spent with them.

What I would like to see is a way for individuals to add value to donations made by others. For example, if viewer A makes a donation to creator B, he/she would also be able to get benefits from "online service donor" C. C doesn't get a cut of the donation (so B is not losing out on anything), but A gets enhanced value from the donation and would get more motivation to donate. The kinds of services C could offer would likely be of the kind that need very little ongoing cost, for example offering time on a SDR receiver. If C is in a good place to install a good antenna and a bank of RTL-SDRs while A isn't, then A gets a good value from a service that costs little to run.
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« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2020, 01:18:33 pm »
Let's be honest: Most tech-YTers just won't survive on ad revenue alone, their videos are just too expensive to ever recoup their money via ads. According to Socialblade, medium-sized tech channels like Applied Science or Tech Ingredients have a monthly income of probably 300-800 USD while producing only 1-2 videos per month. They can't just spam out daily videos as the amount of work they have to put into every video is extremely high.
They don't need 0.1ct per viewer and video, they probably need over ten times as much to break even. Ads aren't a viable solution for them, they need sponsors and Patreon to stay alive. So yes, viewing ads on their channels helps them a bit (and most of them only have a moderate amount of ads), but the entire ad revenue system just works against their style of content as it was designed for quantity, not quality content.
 

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« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2020, 01:34:40 pm »
Let's be honest: Most tech-YTers just won't survive on ad revenue alone, their videos are just too expensive to ever recoup their money via ads. According to Socialblade, medium-sized tech channels like Applied Science or Tech Ingredients have a monthly income of probably 300-800 USD while producing only 1-2 videos per month. They can't just spam out daily videos as the amount of work they have to put into every video is extremely high.
They don't need 0.1ct per viewer and video, they probably need over ten times as much to break even. Ads aren't a viable solution for them, they need sponsors and Patreon to stay alive. So yes, viewing ads on their channels helps them a bit (and most of them only have a moderate amount of ads), but the entire ad revenue system just works against their style of content as it was designed for quantity, not quality content.

I think you're looking at this bass-ackwards.

The REASON why they can't survive on ads alone is because VIEWERS aren't interested in tech videos, and therefore don't watch, and the numbers that can be applied to ad revenue are tiny. But that doesn't mean ad revenue is useless. For some creators ad revenue is thru the roof. The problem is, in the serious tech world there are incredibly few people on this planet who are interested.

It's up to viewers to value these things and support them by watching and liking and subscribing. It's the viewers fault, nobody else's. But viewers aren't interested. If they were, they'd be giving tech videos 12 million views like the latest cat video. (BTW, for reference, I think that at recent ad revenue return rates, 12 million views would amount to at least $12,000. For one video). 

Now as a side note, I hesitate to mention the elephant in the room, but this economic depression that's going on is just going to get worse, IMO. Much worse. Especially with the incredible spike in cases in recent weeks as economies open back up and a world full of morons has convinced themselves that the pandemic is over.

I fully expect advertisers to pull back their percentages, as well as Patreons and anyone else you want to mention. So it will get even tougher for creators. Which means we viewers need to support them more, if we can. Or sit back and complain about ads and watch them dwindle to nothing.
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« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2020, 01:54:00 pm »
Ads are the only working micropayment method in western countries. >:D
 

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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2020, 03:14:48 pm »
Are you people unaware that the way the universe works is that people receive services, and pay money in return? That's how it works. That's how you have a job. That's how you have money. That's why there are businesses like department stores and supermarkets. That's how it works. You RECEIVE a service, and in turn you PAY for the service.
Producing a service is not the case with the most of youtubers. Ask them why they make their videos and they all tell you "because i love making videos!". So if they love making videos so much then they should make their goddamn videos and not complain about not getting enough paid.
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« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2020, 03:49:54 pm »
Are you people unaware that the way the universe works is that people receive services, and pay money in return? That's how it works. That's how you have a job. That's how you have money. That's why there are businesses like department stores and supermarkets. That's how it works. You RECEIVE a service, and in turn you PAY for the service.

Is there some belief that, for some insane reason, computer software and youtube videos are somehow different? They aren't. Advertisements are the way that you pay for the service. Ideally, you click on them so the poor youtube creator can make $0.00002 of revenue for his hard work.

Yeah, great, block the ads. And as is happening now, tech and other useful stuff on youtube will dwindle to nothing, and all we'll be left with is videos of cats playing piano that get 25 trillion views.  :palm:

First the problem was that people aren't paying to watch tech videos, no the problem is that people are not interested in tech videos... How does this go together? The ad revenue doesn't even cover the cost of producing the video, so even if people don't use adblockers creators of tech videos don't get an additional budget for advertising their videos.

And how many tech YTer REGULARLY get 1M+ views on their videos? They would need over 3-4M views/month to go fulltime and probably 10M+ views to create interesting content. Science isn't cheap. And even if a tech channel manages to get a video on the front page of YT it doesn't get them a lot of attention as most people that click on the video are not going to become regular viewers. So what to do? Blame people that they don't find a particular type of video interesting? Well, i don't enjoy watching Make-Up tutorials, am i to blame if a Make-Up channel runs out of money?

Yes, in-depth tech videos are not for people who want shallow entertainment. If YT becomes a platform primarily for that sort of content tech videos aren't going to become more popular, but at that point you could also reverse your argument: Isn't it the fault of the video creators if they create content that a majority doesn't enjoy? If they want to make money they just have to produce more videos that cost less to produce and that are enjoyable by the broader mass of people... If people don't enjoy tech videos, then stop making tech videos if you want to make money.
 

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« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2020, 03:52:06 pm »
Are you people unaware that the way the universe works is that people receive services, and pay money in return? That's how it works. That's how you have a job. That's how you have money. That's why there are businesses like department stores and supermarkets. That's how it works. You RECEIVE a service, and in turn you PAY for the service.
Producing a service is not the case with the most of youtubers. Ask them why they make their videos and they all tell you "because i love making videos!". So if they love making videos so much then they should make their goddamn videos and not complain about not getting enough paid.

So tell me Bud...

Let's say you had a job that you enjoyed. No, let's say you LOVED doing that work. In that case is your employer not obligated to pay you? "Sorry Bud, but you really like this job, so you shouldn't complain if I don't pay you".

Yeah, that makes sense. Assume all youtube creators love making videos and therefore viewers like you aren't obligated to support them by hitting a freakin' "like" button or watching a freakin' 12 second advertising video. Got it.

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« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2020, 04:15:21 pm »
So tell me Bud...

Let's say you had a job that you enjoyed. No, let's say you LOVED doing that work. In that case is your employer not obligated to pay you? "Sorry Bud, but you really like this job, so you shouldn't complain if I don't pay you".

Yeah, that makes sense. Assume all youtube creators love making videos and therefore viewers like you aren't obligated to support them by hitting a freakin' "like" button or watching a freakin' 12 second video. Got it.

Let's just assume that most people work because they want the "your work vs my money" trade and not because they particularly enjoy doing the same thing until they are 67... You have a job to get money, and you have a hobby that you enjoy, but don't get money for. If a youtuber decides to go fulltime in self-employment, they have to do something that gets them money. It's their job after all.

Do i have to financially support a company that produces a product no one wants? Well, they like what they're producing so you better pay for it. That's capitalism for you, people vote with their wallets. You produce something no one wants to buy? You don't get any money for it.

You have to have the right mentality: Do i enjoy making videos and don't mind getting a little bit of extra money? You should start a tech channel (those are the kind of channels that get viewers, they would play around with tech and film it anyway, getting money to do it is just a nice bonus).
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« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2020, 04:29:17 pm »
jogir, I have no idea what point you're trying to make. And honestly I don't give a F*** what you or anyone else here does. I'm just telling you that the whole youtube tech channel thing is a huge pain for creators, and it's getting exponentially more difficult and risky and limited in what's allowed. And more and more, those who do it because they like it are dropping off because it just isn't worth it. Too many risks, no rewards. And it's only gonna get worse, with more and more restrictions on what you can say and do. 

And what makes it worse is the viewers who have this arrogant, entitled attitude that they deserve perfection, and won't spend 0.25 seconds doing something that might help the creator. If you're fine with the small tech channels disappearing in the future, that's fine with me. Just don't be surprised. IMO, it's going to be nothing more than mindless entertainment for the masses in the near future. And IMO, we're pretty much already there. 
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« Reply #36 on: June 28, 2020, 06:53:47 am »
jogir, I have no idea what point you're trying to make. And honestly I don't give a F*** what you or anyone else here does. I'm just telling you that the whole youtube tech channel thing is a huge pain for creators, and it's getting exponentially more difficult and risky and limited in what's allowed. And more and more, those who do it because they like it are dropping off because it just isn't worth it. Too many risks, no rewards. And it's only gonna get worse, with more and more restrictions on what you can say and do. 

Are you actually a Youtube creator?

As someone who is one of those creators, and talks to other tech creators on a regular basis, I think you are way off the mark.
 

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« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2020, 07:00:53 am »
I don't see any ads on Youtube because I have premium. A good way to avoid ads and give revenue to creators BTW (minus Youtube's cut of course).
How much do the creators actually get? Last time I checked, it's something like 50%

Youtube do take 50% of the Premium service fee. But how the rest of your 50% monthly fee is actually spread across creators is a mystery algorithm. But about 20% of my Youtube income comes from Premium subscription users. But they don't tell you want percentage of viewers are Premium subscribers.
 

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« Reply #38 on: June 28, 2020, 07:11:40 am »
Are you people unaware that the way the universe works is that people receive services, and pay money in return? That's how it works. That's how you have a job. That's how you have money. That's why there are businesses like department stores and supermarkets. That's how it works. You RECEIVE a service, and in turn you PAY for the service.

Is there some belief that, for some insane reason, computer software and youtube videos are somehow different? They aren't. Advertisements are the way that you pay for the service. Ideally, you click on them so the poor youtube creator can make $0.00002 of revenue for his hard work.

Yeah, great, block the ads. And as is happening now, tech and other useful stuff on youtube will dwindle to nothing, and all we'll be left with is videos of cats playing piano that get 25 trillion views.  :palm:

First the problem was that people aren't paying to watch tech videos, no the problem is that people are not interested in tech videos... How does this go together? The ad revenue doesn't even cover the cost of producing the video, so even if people don't use adblockers creators of tech videos don't get an additional budget for advertising their videos.

Correct. Take my recent ones that have done a smidge over 100k+ views
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#1298 - 2000W Power PSU $215

Lesser view ones like #1313 - Bad Luck Mailbag got $139 in revenue.

And I'm a reasonably popular channel in the tech sector.

If you want to do tech tutorial videos like say my whiteboard #1300 - "Parts Per" Notation, that earned me $65.
 

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« Reply #40 on: June 28, 2020, 08:15:34 am »
I watch a lot of YouTube on my Sony TV.  There doesn’t appear to be any way of blocking ads on there.

But most ads appear for only 5 secs before I can skip them. The most this seems to happen is twice during a vid and once at the beginning, so not something I’m that bothered about.
 

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« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2020, 08:27:37 am »
But most ads appear for only 5 secs before I can skip them. The most this seems to happen is twice during a vid and once at the beginning, so not something I’m that bothered about.

That is entirely the choice to the content creator. We can chose skipable or un-skipable pre-roll ads, plus mid-roll and post-roll ads.
 

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« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2020, 09:09:39 am »
jogir, I have no idea what point you're trying to make. And honestly I don't give a F*** what you or anyone else here does. I'm just telling you that the whole youtube tech channel thing is a huge pain for creators, and it's getting exponentially more difficult and risky and limited in what's allowed. And more and more, those who do it because they like it are dropping off because it just isn't worth it. Too many risks, no rewards. And it's only gonna get worse, with more and more restrictions on what you can say and do. 

And what makes it worse is the viewers who have this arrogant, entitled attitude that they deserve perfection, and won't spend 0.25 seconds doing something that might help the creator. If you're fine with the small tech channels disappearing in the future, that's fine with me. Just don't be surprised. IMO, it's going to be nothing more than mindless entertainment for the masses in the near future. And IMO, we're pretty much already there.

It is never the viewers fault. If a content creator isn't making the effort to make content viewers want in order to reap whatever financial rewards are on offer then it is their fault. And as for "those who do it because they like it " dropping off, do they do it because they like it or not? If they're not rewarded by the satisfaction of the act of creation then they're doing it for the money or fame. In which case they can damn well make what the viewers want to pay for. Expecting anything less is arrogant entitlement on the creators part.

It is exactly what is meant by the old adage "the customer is always right".

 

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« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2020, 12:39:19 pm »
jogir, I have no idea what point you're trying to make. And honestly I don't give a F*** what you or anyone else here does. I'm just telling you that the whole youtube tech channel thing is a huge pain for creators, and it's getting exponentially more difficult and risky and limited in what's allowed. And more and more, those who do it because they like it are dropping off because it just isn't worth it. Too many risks, no rewards. And it's only gonna get worse, with more and more restrictions on what you can say and do. 

Are you actually a Youtube creator?

As someone who is one of those creators, and talks to other tech creators on a regular basis, I think you are way off the mark.

In what way am I "way off the mark"? Two posts down you prove my point to some extent. You show that creators receive only like $1-3 per 1k views. And those views likely take place over years. How is that a reward? It takes years to get to where you'll receive over 100k views for a video, and in the end all you get for payment is peanuts? And you then pay high taxes on that income (at least in the US). And before you post it you have to verify that there's nothing that might upset anyone in the video by checking a long list of boxes? A whole list of crap that is undefined and left up to the same types of people like L'Oreal, who removes all references to the words "white/whitening, fair/fairness, light/lightening" in their product line so they don't offend anyone?? Did you use any of those words in any of your videos??

And if you dare to do something that someone decides is against undefined COPPA limitations you can get huge fines (at least in the US). And, as you say, if want to produce serious tech stuff nobody's interested. They only want entertainment, like unboxing's, reviews, etc. And after years of effort, you can be de-monetized in a heartbeat for no reason whatsoever other than someone's belief you did something wrong. Or have to chase false copyright claims.

I see a lot of risk, and very little reward. Unless you're willing to spend many years pumping out videos with little or no income, and make sure you don't do anything that might offend anyone, and make sure you're entertaining enough, and so on. And on top of that you have to listen to the arrogant, entitled complainers who feel free to post negative comments because THEY didn't like the way something was phrased or edited or how many ads you decide to use so you can get a few pennies more. They don't pay you crap for the service, but they feel entitled to complain. For those who are willing to put up with all that, then fine. But for the average, rational person, there are a lot of risks and costs and efforts, and few if any rewards.
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« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2020, 12:59:59 pm »
jogir, I have no idea what point you're trying to make. And honestly I don't give a F*** what you or anyone else here does. I'm just telling you that the whole youtube tech channel thing is a huge pain for creators, and it's getting exponentially more difficult and risky and limited in what's allowed. And more and more, those who do it because they like it are dropping off because it just isn't worth it. Too many risks, no rewards. And it's only gonna get worse, with more and more restrictions on what you can say and do. 

And what makes it worse is the viewers who have this arrogant, entitled attitude that they deserve perfection, and won't spend 0.25 seconds doing something that might help the creator. If you're fine with the small tech channels disappearing in the future, that's fine with me. Just don't be surprised. IMO, it's going to be nothing more than mindless entertainment for the masses in the near future. And IMO, we're pretty much already there.

It is never the viewers fault. If a content creator isn't making the effort to make content viewers want in order to reap whatever financial rewards are on offer then it is their fault. And as for "those who do it because they like it " dropping off, do they do it because they like it or not? If they're not rewarded by the satisfaction of the act of creation then they're doing it for the money or fame. In which case they can damn well make what the viewers want to pay for. Expecting anything less is arrogant entitlement on the creators part.

It is exactly what is meant by the old adage "the customer is always right".

Good for you. If you're happy to have free, mindless entertainment when you go to youtube, then you're absolutely right. Give us mindless crap cuz we love it.

I'm talking about the few of us who like to learn, and see serious tech stuff not mindless drivel. Y'know, those of us who are engineers and enjoy engineering. And learning stuff. Yeah, there are actually some of us out there. For us, it's a sad state of affairs. Because YT creators are being driven to entertain rather than provide serious tech stuff. Yeah, I suppose we're a dying breed, since our society now is all about entertainment. Aside from a bunch of sharp engineering students in India (where engineering is still a thing), we're all about music videos and watching others play freakin' video games and doing mindless pranks. That's what people want. And you're right...the customer is always right, so that's what we'll get. 
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« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2020, 01:09:52 pm »
The real problem with Youtube is that people got used to it being free, with no ads.  Of course, that was just to build up the business and lock out any hope of competition establishing itself.  Now that Youtube is in an (almost) unassailable position, they start twisting the thumb screws.  If they had used those tactics in an established business sector it would probably have been deemed unlawful...

The increasing presence of unescapable ads has had the following effects:

  1) The perception of wasting my time on un-interesting ads is overwhelming, just like watching old style US television. 

  2) I used to be able to quickly jump around inside a video to see if it might be interesting to watch the whole thing.  Now I can't "go looking" any longer.

  3) Marginally interesting videos that used to be still worth watching in the background are no longer worth it at all.


The net result is that Youtube is no longer a positive experience - it has become a drag - so I have cut usage back to a bare minimum.
 

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« Reply #46 on: June 28, 2020, 01:46:35 pm »
Right. It's Youtube's fault.

Geesh.  :palm:
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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #47 on: June 28, 2020, 02:00:58 pm »
Youtube do take 50% of the Premium service fee. But how the rest of your 50% monthly fee is actually spread across creators is a mystery algorithm. But about 20% of my Youtube income comes from Premium subscription users. But they don't tell you want percentage of viewers are Premium subscribers.
What benefits does it actually give you? If you can get the same experience using Adblock, then give to the creators using Patreon/Subscribestar/Bitcoin/whatever, 90% or more of your payment goes towards making the content you enjoy. (AvE even endorses using Adblock for his viewers who don't like ads, whether or not they're supporters.)

I also realized that the idea I had for giving more value to donations could be implemented by the subscription services giving "tokens" which have no monetary value, but for which anyone could set up services like the SDR receiver example that accept them. (Unlike money, the tokens are no longer useful once "spent".)
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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #48 on: June 28, 2020, 02:45:11 pm »
Youtube do take 50% of the Premium service fee. But how the rest of your 50% monthly fee is actually spread across creators is a mystery algorithm. But about 20% of my Youtube income comes from Premium subscription users. But they don't tell you want percentage of viewers are Premium subscribers.
What benefits does it actually give you? If you can get the same experience using Adblock, then give to the creators using Patreon/Subscribestar/Bitcoin/whatever, 90% or more of your payment goes towards making the content you enjoy. (AvE even endorses using Adblock for his viewers who don't like ads, whether or not they're supporters.)

a) Not all creators have ways to donate to them.
b) Most people watch countless videos on youtube they don't subscribe to and will likely never watch again. So using Premium gives at least a little bit of money automatically to that creator because you fleetingly watched their content.
c) Only a very small percentage (5% would be enormous) of regular subscribers/viewers actually "take action" and go to the effort to donate etc. So again Premium is the "lazy person's" way to support.

I also have always supported viewers who chose to use adblock, I have never asked anyone to turn it off, ever. If that's what you want to do I'm fine with that.
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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #49 on: June 28, 2020, 03:03:55 pm »
jogir, I have no idea what point you're trying to make. And honestly I don't give a F*** what you or anyone else here does. I'm just telling you that the whole youtube tech channel thing is a huge pain for creators, and it's getting exponentially more difficult and risky and limited in what's allowed. And more and more, those who do it because they like it are dropping off because it just isn't worth it. Too many risks, no rewards. And it's only gonna get worse, with more and more restrictions on what you can say and do

Are you actually a Youtube creator?

As someone who is one of those creators, and talks to other tech creators on a regular basis, I think you are way off the mark.

In what way am I "way off the mark"?

In bold above. You are wrong no less than three times about content.
1) Making videos is not "a huge pain" for Tech Youtubers
2) It's not "getting exponentially more difficult and risky and limited in what's allowed" for tech channels. We can do almost anything we like. Only exception I can think of is a channel like Cody's Lab that has had a couple of videos removed because they involved dangerous chemicals or something.
3) There are few "restrictions on what you can say and do" for tech channels.

And, I'll take no answer meaning that you aren't a creator. So I guess, to use modern parlance, you are kind of a creator white knight?

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And before you post it you have to verify that there's nothing that might upset anyone in the video by checking a long list of boxes? A whole list of crap that is undefined and left up to the same types of people like L'Oreal, who removes all references to the words "white/whitening, fair/fairness, light/lightening" in their product line so they don't offend anyone?? Did you use any of those words in any of your videos??

It's not a problem for tech channels.

I'm certainly no fan of what's happening on Youtube, the "hate speech" rules are abhorrent, but when it comes to tech channels you are wrong.

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I see a lot of risk, and very little reward. Unless you're willing to spend many years pumping out videos with little or no income, and make sure you don't do anything that might offend anyone, and make sure you're entertaining enough, and so on.

Déjà vu. Sounds exactly like when I started 12 years ago....

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And on top of that you have to listen to the arrogant, entitled complainers who feel free to post negative comments because THEY didn't like the way something was phrased or edited or how many ads you decide to use so you can get a few pennies more. They don't pay you crap for the service, but they feel entitled to complain. For those who are willing to put up with all that, then fine. But for the average, rational person, there are a lot of risks and costs and efforts, and few if any rewards.

You sound bitter some how?
Maybe you'd like to make content yourself but couldn't be bothered having a go?
Pro tip: do it because you enjoy it, not because you expect to make money from it.
Pro tip2: Have a backup plan and other income sources. This was obvious to me almost 10 years ago when I went full time at this.
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