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HobGoblyn:
I watch a lot of YouTube on my Sony TV.  There doesn’t appear to be any way of blocking ads on there.

But most ads appear for only 5 secs before I can skip them. The most this seems to happen is twice during a vid and once at the beginning, so not something I’m that bothered about.

EEVblog:

--- Quote from: HobGoblyn on June 28, 2020, 08:15:34 am ---But most ads appear for only 5 secs before I can skip them. The most this seems to happen is twice during a vid and once at the beginning, so not something I’m that bothered about.

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That is entirely the choice to the content creator. We can chose skipable or un-skipable pre-roll ads, plus mid-roll and post-roll ads.

wilfred:

--- Quote from: engrguy42 on June 27, 2020, 04:29:17 pm ---jogir, I have no idea what point you're trying to make. And honestly I don't give a F*** what you or anyone else here does. I'm just telling you that the whole youtube tech channel thing is a huge pain for creators, and it's getting exponentially more difficult and risky and limited in what's allowed. And more and more, those who do it because they like it are dropping off because it just isn't worth it. Too many risks, no rewards. And it's only gonna get worse, with more and more restrictions on what you can say and do. 

And what makes it worse is the viewers who have this arrogant, entitled attitude that they deserve perfection, and won't spend 0.25 seconds doing something that might help the creator. If you're fine with the small tech channels disappearing in the future, that's fine with me. Just don't be surprised. IMO, it's going to be nothing more than mindless entertainment for the masses in the near future. And IMO, we're pretty much already there.

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It is never the viewers fault. If a content creator isn't making the effort to make content viewers want in order to reap whatever financial rewards are on offer then it is their fault. And as for "those who do it because they like it " dropping off, do they do it because they like it or not? If they're not rewarded by the satisfaction of the act of creation then they're doing it for the money or fame. In which case they can damn well make what the viewers want to pay for. Expecting anything less is arrogant entitlement on the creators part.

It is exactly what is meant by the old adage "the customer is always right".

engrguy42:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on June 28, 2020, 06:53:47 am ---
--- Quote from: engrguy42 on June 27, 2020, 04:29:17 pm ---jogir, I have no idea what point you're trying to make. And honestly I don't give a F*** what you or anyone else here does. I'm just telling you that the whole youtube tech channel thing is a huge pain for creators, and it's getting exponentially more difficult and risky and limited in what's allowed. And more and more, those who do it because they like it are dropping off because it just isn't worth it. Too many risks, no rewards. And it's only gonna get worse, with more and more restrictions on what you can say and do. 

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Are you actually a Youtube creator?

As someone who is one of those creators, and talks to other tech creators on a regular basis, I think you are way off the mark.

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In what way am I "way off the mark"? Two posts down you prove my point to some extent. You show that creators receive only like $1-3 per 1k views. And those views likely take place over years. How is that a reward? It takes years to get to where you'll receive over 100k views for a video, and in the end all you get for payment is peanuts? And you then pay high taxes on that income (at least in the US). And before you post it you have to verify that there's nothing that might upset anyone in the video by checking a long list of boxes? A whole list of crap that is undefined and left up to the same types of people like L'Oreal, who removes all references to the words "white/whitening, fair/fairness, light/lightening" in their product line so they don't offend anyone?? Did you use any of those words in any of your videos??

And if you dare to do something that someone decides is against undefined COPPA limitations you can get huge fines (at least in the US). And, as you say, if want to produce serious tech stuff nobody's interested. They only want entertainment, like unboxing's, reviews, etc. And after years of effort, you can be de-monetized in a heartbeat for no reason whatsoever other than someone's belief you did something wrong. Or have to chase false copyright claims.

I see a lot of risk, and very little reward. Unless you're willing to spend many years pumping out videos with little or no income, and make sure you don't do anything that might offend anyone, and make sure you're entertaining enough, and so on. And on top of that you have to listen to the arrogant, entitled complainers who feel free to post negative comments because THEY didn't like the way something was phrased or edited or how many ads you decide to use so you can get a few pennies more. They don't pay you crap for the service, but they feel entitled to complain. For those who are willing to put up with all that, then fine. But for the average, rational person, there are a lot of risks and costs and efforts, and few if any rewards.

engrguy42:

--- Quote from: wilfred on June 28, 2020, 09:09:39 am ---
--- Quote from: engrguy42 on June 27, 2020, 04:29:17 pm ---jogir, I have no idea what point you're trying to make. And honestly I don't give a F*** what you or anyone else here does. I'm just telling you that the whole youtube tech channel thing is a huge pain for creators, and it's getting exponentially more difficult and risky and limited in what's allowed. And more and more, those who do it because they like it are dropping off because it just isn't worth it. Too many risks, no rewards. And it's only gonna get worse, with more and more restrictions on what you can say and do. 

And what makes it worse is the viewers who have this arrogant, entitled attitude that they deserve perfection, and won't spend 0.25 seconds doing something that might help the creator. If you're fine with the small tech channels disappearing in the future, that's fine with me. Just don't be surprised. IMO, it's going to be nothing more than mindless entertainment for the masses in the near future. And IMO, we're pretty much already there.

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It is never the viewers fault. If a content creator isn't making the effort to make content viewers want in order to reap whatever financial rewards are on offer then it is their fault. And as for "those who do it because they like it " dropping off, do they do it because they like it or not? If they're not rewarded by the satisfaction of the act of creation then they're doing it for the money or fame. In which case they can damn well make what the viewers want to pay for. Expecting anything less is arrogant entitlement on the creators part.

It is exactly what is meant by the old adage "the customer is always right".

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Good for you. If you're happy to have free, mindless entertainment when you go to youtube, then you're absolutely right. Give us mindless crap cuz we love it.

I'm talking about the few of us who like to learn, and see serious tech stuff not mindless drivel. Y'know, those of us who are engineers and enjoy engineering. And learning stuff. Yeah, there are actually some of us out there. For us, it's a sad state of affairs. Because YT creators are being driven to entertain rather than provide serious tech stuff. Yeah, I suppose we're a dying breed, since our society now is all about entertainment. Aside from a bunch of sharp engineering students in India (where engineering is still a thing), we're all about music videos and watching others play freakin' video games and doing mindless pranks. That's what people want. And you're right...the customer is always right, so that's what we'll get. 

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