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| SilverSolder:
The real problem with Youtube is that people got used to it being free, with no ads. Of course, that was just to build up the business and lock out any hope of competition establishing itself. Now that Youtube is in an (almost) unassailable position, they start twisting the thumb screws. If they had used those tactics in an established business sector it would probably have been deemed unlawful... The increasing presence of unescapable ads has had the following effects: 1) The perception of wasting my time on un-interesting ads is overwhelming, just like watching old style US television. 2) I used to be able to quickly jump around inside a video to see if it might be interesting to watch the whole thing. Now I can't "go looking" any longer. 3) Marginally interesting videos that used to be still worth watching in the background are no longer worth it at all. The net result is that Youtube is no longer a positive experience - it has become a drag - so I have cut usage back to a bare minimum. |
| engrguy42:
Right. It's Youtube's fault. Geesh. :palm: |
| NiHaoMike:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on June 28, 2020, 07:00:53 am ---Youtube do take 50% of the Premium service fee. But how the rest of your 50% monthly fee is actually spread across creators is a mystery algorithm. But about 20% of my Youtube income comes from Premium subscription users. But they don't tell you want percentage of viewers are Premium subscribers. --- End quote --- What benefits does it actually give you? If you can get the same experience using Adblock, then give to the creators using Patreon/Subscribestar/Bitcoin/whatever, 90% or more of your payment goes towards making the content you enjoy. (AvE even endorses using Adblock for his viewers who don't like ads, whether or not they're supporters.) I also realized that the idea I had for giving more value to donations could be implemented by the subscription services giving "tokens" which have no monetary value, but for which anyone could set up services like the SDR receiver example that accept them. (Unlike money, the tokens are no longer useful once "spent".) |
| EEVblog:
--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on June 28, 2020, 02:00:58 pm --- --- Quote from: EEVblog on June 28, 2020, 07:00:53 am ---Youtube do take 50% of the Premium service fee. But how the rest of your 50% monthly fee is actually spread across creators is a mystery algorithm. But about 20% of my Youtube income comes from Premium subscription users. But they don't tell you want percentage of viewers are Premium subscribers. --- End quote --- What benefits does it actually give you? If you can get the same experience using Adblock, then give to the creators using Patreon/Subscribestar/Bitcoin/whatever, 90% or more of your payment goes towards making the content you enjoy. (AvE even endorses using Adblock for his viewers who don't like ads, whether or not they're supporters.) --- End quote --- a) Not all creators have ways to donate to them. b) Most people watch countless videos on youtube they don't subscribe to and will likely never watch again. So using Premium gives at least a little bit of money automatically to that creator because you fleetingly watched their content. c) Only a very small percentage (5% would be enormous) of regular subscribers/viewers actually "take action" and go to the effort to donate etc. So again Premium is the "lazy person's" way to support. I also have always supported viewers who chose to use adblock, I have never asked anyone to turn it off, ever. If that's what you want to do I'm fine with that. |
| EEVblog:
--- Quote from: engrguy42 on June 28, 2020, 12:39:19 pm --- --- Quote from: EEVblog on June 28, 2020, 06:53:47 am --- --- Quote from: engrguy42 on June 27, 2020, 04:29:17 pm ---jogir, I have no idea what point you're trying to make. And honestly I don't give a F*** what you or anyone else here does. I'm just telling you that the whole youtube tech channel thing is a huge pain for creators, and it's getting exponentially more difficult and risky and limited in what's allowed. And more and more, those who do it because they like it are dropping off because it just isn't worth it. Too many risks, no rewards. And it's only gonna get worse, with more and more restrictions on what you can say and do. --- End quote --- Are you actually a Youtube creator? As someone who is one of those creators, and talks to other tech creators on a regular basis, I think you are way off the mark. --- End quote --- In what way am I "way off the mark"? --- End quote --- In bold above. You are wrong no less than three times about content. 1) Making videos is not "a huge pain" for Tech Youtubers 2) It's not "getting exponentially more difficult and risky and limited in what's allowed" for tech channels. We can do almost anything we like. Only exception I can think of is a channel like Cody's Lab that has had a couple of videos removed because they involved dangerous chemicals or something. 3) There are few "restrictions on what you can say and do" for tech channels. And, I'll take no answer meaning that you aren't a creator. So I guess, to use modern parlance, you are kind of a creator white knight? --- Quote ---And before you post it you have to verify that there's nothing that might upset anyone in the video by checking a long list of boxes? A whole list of crap that is undefined and left up to the same types of people like L'Oreal, who removes all references to the words "white/whitening, fair/fairness, light/lightening" in their product line so they don't offend anyone?? Did you use any of those words in any of your videos?? --- End quote --- It's not a problem for tech channels. I'm certainly no fan of what's happening on Youtube, the "hate speech" rules are abhorrent, but when it comes to tech channels you are wrong. --- Quote ---I see a lot of risk, and very little reward. Unless you're willing to spend many years pumping out videos with little or no income, and make sure you don't do anything that might offend anyone, and make sure you're entertaining enough, and so on. --- End quote --- Déjà vu. Sounds exactly like when I started 12 years ago.... --- Quote ---And on top of that you have to listen to the arrogant, entitled complainers who feel free to post negative comments because THEY didn't like the way something was phrased or edited or how many ads you decide to use so you can get a few pennies more. They don't pay you crap for the service, but they feel entitled to complain. For those who are willing to put up with all that, then fine. But for the average, rational person, there are a lot of risks and costs and efforts, and few if any rewards. --- End quote --- You sound bitter some how? Maybe you'd like to make content yourself but couldn't be bothered having a go? Pro tip: do it because you enjoy it, not because you expect to make money from it. Pro tip2: Have a backup plan and other income sources. This was obvious to me almost 10 years ago when I went full time at this. |
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