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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #50 on: June 28, 2020, 03:54:10 pm »
I get the saddest feeling when I see a thumbnail of a video with a image and byline that looks interesting, I hover to preview and then move on. It has usually been recently uploaded in the last few days or weeks, sitting on a very low view count, it is of interest to me, it looks lengthy and may have been a lecture or institute upload, it looks to be of high content or production quality.

Alas, I move on. I already know how to make a PCB at home within 30 minutes, I know how to make a ESP8266 range extender and IOT device, I have already been introduced to the ESP32-Cam and don't need another tutorial. Sadly, I won't click the link, I won't like, I won't subscribe, I will move on.

If you want to make money via youtube advertising then your content needs to go viral.
 

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« Reply #51 on: June 28, 2020, 03:59:00 pm »
I don't see any ads on Youtube because I have premium. A good way to avoid ads and give revenue to creators BTW (minus Youtube's cut of course).
Creators have the option to enabled in-video ads either automatically or at specific points in the video.
I've heard it's fairly lucrative but I don't do it because I don't want my videos interrupted with ads.

Sadly selective adblocking is not possible and I have had adds that go on for minutes about stuff that is totally irrelevant to my viewing habbits or the video I am hoping to watch that could be shorter than the add itself. I use Brave but adds have started appearing again but generally hitting reload gets rid of them.
 

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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #52 on: June 28, 2020, 04:13:32 pm »
technology ads on youtube : sell hobbyist custom engineered metal printed 3d subassemblies and asics for 50k

maybe we can machine a power plant turbine for you also

I think they want me to start the cyberdyne aerospace corporation in my garage from what material they provide which is 'relevant'.

I don't think I can even afford to build the mock up system out of plywood for the things youtube advertisements seem to want me to build.

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« Reply #53 on: June 28, 2020, 04:45:10 pm »
Over time I've developed an ad-adversity syndrome which results in boycotting specific products/services or even companies when ads are bothering me too many times or are too annoying. >:D
 

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« Reply #54 on: June 28, 2020, 04:56:18 pm »
Maybe you guys should consider starting your own YT channel if what you're seeing is beneath you. As Dave says, it's not difficult at all. Then you can all single-handedly raise the quality of tech content on YT.

Just make sure to TURN OFF any sort of advertising for any of your videos in, say, 2 years when you get to enough subscribers to be able to enable monetization. 
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« Reply #55 on: June 28, 2020, 05:23:32 pm »
c) Only a very small percentage (5% would be enormous) of regular subscribers/viewers actually "take action" and go to the effort to donate etc. So again Premium is the "lazy person's" way to support.
So it looks like one big problem is the lack of apparent value in supporting creators. Hence why I like the token system idea for offering additional rewards for those who support creators.

I seed a bunch of (legal) torrents to give back to the community, but I would like it better if I could install an addon that prioritizes uploading to those who support the content I enjoy. And those torrents could include the content the supported creators make.
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« Reply #56 on: June 28, 2020, 05:25:04 pm »
Maybe you guys should consider starting your own YT channel if what you're seeing is beneath you. As Dave says, it's not difficult at all. Then you can all single-handedly raise the quality of tech content on YT.

Just make sure to TURN OFF any sort of advertising for any of your videos in, say, 2 years when you get to enough subscribers to be able to enable monetization.


It is almost as if you can't imagine any other way of supporting content creators than ruining the user experience by forcing irrelevant advertising down their throats?
 

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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #57 on: June 28, 2020, 05:26:42 pm »
Over time I've developed an ad-adversity syndrome which results in boycotting specific products/services or even companies when ads are bothering me too many times or are too annoying. >:D

I haven't gone that far,  but I definitely prefer to do other things with my time than viewing advertisements that are not relevant to my life or work.
 

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« Reply #58 on: June 28, 2020, 05:46:56 pm »
How much does youtube premium red or whatever it's called actually give to creators? I did sign up once but I was hoping for more access also to films rather than just youtubes own. I mean netflix is only £5.99 a month and youtube want twice that.
 

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« Reply #59 on: June 28, 2020, 06:16:46 pm »
Maybe you guys should consider starting your own YT channel if what you're seeing is beneath you. As Dave says, it's not difficult at all. Then you can all single-handedly raise the quality of tech content on YT.

Just make sure to TURN OFF any sort of advertising for any of your videos in, say, 2 years when you get to enough subscribers to be able to enable monetization.
I do not know why you are coming from the assumption that every content creator comes to youtube to make a living out of their videos. This is a grossly faulty assumption. Many tech and other content creators just want to share their knowledge and experience, some want a bit of recognition or fame, other reasons too. Invasive dilution of their videos with ads may hurt them as much as it annoys their viewers.
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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #60 on: July 02, 2020, 07:00:56 am »
How much does youtube premium red or whatever it's called actually give to creators? I did sign up once but I was hoping for more access also to films rather than just youtubes own. I mean netflix is only £5.99 a month and youtube want twice that.

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6306276?hl=en
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"How is revenue figured out?
Currently, new revenue from YouTube Premium membership fees is distributed to video creators based on how much members watch your content. As with our advertising business, most of the revenue will go to creators.

By "most" they mean at least 51% of your Premium membership goes to creators.
IIRC they have never released details of the algorithm (because then it can be gamed), but it based loosely on how many videos you watch and for how long etc. You money if then divided up among  those creators.
The problem is money will even go to videos and creators you don't like, unless you logged out to view them.
 

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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #61 on: July 02, 2020, 09:08:29 pm »
I pay for Youtube red or premium so I don't see the adverts.

I don't watch free to air television anymore only the news sometimes. The channel logos put me off and sometimes when I am interested in something I hear background music so loud I can't hear what they're saying. The adverts were very loud when they during the breaks so before they come on I got use to hitting the mute button to save myself the trouble of being shocked through my ears.

So many good old documentaries on Youtube and then there are the creators channels where I learn new things and that makes it my worthwhile paying for it.
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« Reply #62 on: July 02, 2020, 09:27:54 pm »
Some youtubers are joining curiosity stream or nebula, but i don't know how easy it is to go it alone and "democratize" it, curiosity stream does not always have the best compression quality and buffers often.
 

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« Reply #63 on: July 03, 2020, 04:23:41 am »
Some youtubers are joining curiosity stream or nebula

That seems to be a small collection of science/info type channels who all know each other and hang out etc. AFAIK the invitation has not been extended to channels outside their little club.
I cannot find any info at all on how creators can "join". Not surprising though given the high production quality nature of the content.
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« Reply #64 on: July 03, 2020, 05:19:14 am »
I pay for Youtube red or premium so I don't see the adverts.

I don't watch free to air television anymore only the news sometimes. The channel logos put me off and sometimes when I am interested in something I hear background music so loud I can't hear what they're saying

Those channel logos drive me crazy, that's 99% of the reason I cut the cord 20 years ago and never looked back. They do work to prevent me from pirating OTA content but it's because they drop the value of the content to zero, I don't even want it if it's free. Even worse than that are the animated ads for other shows that go across the bottom of the screen during a show I'm watching, and then often during the credits some announcer starts blathering about some other show. Just let me enjoy one show at a time! I won't watch anything that has ads or logos anymore, my tolerance has fallen to zero.
 
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« Reply #65 on: July 03, 2020, 05:35:54 am »
Are you people unaware that the way the universe works is that people receive services, and pay money in return? That's how it works. That's how you have a job. That's how you have money. That's why there are businesses like department stores and supermarkets. That's how it works. You RECEIVE a service, and in turn you PAY for the service.

Is there some belief that, for some insane reason, computer software and youtube videos are somehow different? They aren't. Advertisements are the way that you pay for the service. Ideally, you click on them so the poor youtube creator can make $0.00002 of revenue for his hard work.

Yeah, great, block the ads. And as is happening now, tech and other useful stuff on youtube will dwindle to nothing, and all we'll be left with is videos of cats playing piano that get 25 trillion views.  :palm:
I really hope you're not saying Youtube content quality went up with increased monetisation. Early Youtube was quite creative and without immense pressure on likes, subscribing and views. Money does open some doors but it mainly brought endless amounts of cookie cutter and clickbait content. With money the worst of TV also came over.
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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #66 on: July 03, 2020, 06:17:39 am »
Some youtubers are joining curiosity stream or nebula

That seems to be a small collection of science/info type channels who all know each other and hang out etc. AFAIK the invitation has not been extended to channels outside their little club.
I cannot find any info at all on how creators can "join". Not surprising though given the high production quality nature of the content.

Yes that would appear to be the case. I don't know how successful they will be. At $20 a year they can't match youtube for bandwidth and it shows.
 

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« Reply #67 on: July 03, 2020, 11:45:06 pm »
Some youtubers are joining curiosity stream or nebula

That seems to be a small collection of science/info type channels who all know each other and hang out etc. AFAIK the invitation has not been extended to channels outside their little club.
I cannot find any info at all on how creators can "join". Not surprising though given the high production quality nature of the content.
Yes that would appear to be the case. I don't know how successful they will be. At $20 a year they can't match youtube for bandwidth and it shows.

I think I got a half price thing like $10 for the whole year for both CuriosityStream and Nubula.
They can't stay in business at that level.
 

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« Reply #68 on: July 04, 2020, 02:35:45 am »
Yes that would appear to be the case. I don't know how successful they will be. At $20 a year they can't match youtube for bandwidth and it shows.
All they have to do is adopt Bittorrent as a content distribution system and offer a small discount to those who generously seed. Make a ready to go image for Raspberry Pi or similar to make it easy for anyone to make low power 24/7 seeding nodes.
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« Reply #69 on: July 04, 2020, 08:13:51 am »
what like lbry? You also need 100's of GB of space. People are already complaining that lbry fills their hard drives and with 160GB on mine now that I found it I will be trimming back soon. I don't even see my wifi working in upload so doubt I happen to have the same interests as others
 

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« Reply #70 on: July 04, 2020, 01:34:16 pm »
what like lbry? You also need 100's of GB of space. People are already complaining that lbry fills their hard drives and with 160GB on mine now that I found it I will be trimming back soon. I don't even see my wifi working in upload so doubt I happen to have the same interests as others
Disk space is cheap nowadays, $20/TB or less. They can also implement automatic seed selection that favors popular content.
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« Reply #71 on: July 04, 2020, 02:25:06 pm »
Yes but we are engineers, not the general public (civilians)
 

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« Reply #72 on: July 04, 2020, 02:36:26 pm »
Yes but we are engineers, not the general public (civilians)
The $20/TB figure was based on deals I have seen for hard drives on PC Part Picker. Connecting it to a Raspberry Pi is just a matter of plugging it in.
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« Reply #73 on: July 04, 2020, 02:43:42 pm »
Yes but you have to actually do this. most people are not interested, they just want to pay for a service and use it, plus it is copyright production so they would need to be sure it won't open up piracy. Just look at lbry.
 

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« Reply #74 on: July 04, 2020, 03:00:35 pm »
Yes but you have to actually do this. most people are not interested, they just want to pay for a service and use it, plus it is copyright production so they would need to be sure it won't open up piracy. Just look at lbry.
Offer an incentive in the form of a little profit (even for those who do not subscribe to the service) or at least a discount off their service and interest will grow a lot - worked for Bitcoin. Steam already uses Bittorrent in the background so there's a way to do it without increasing piracy.

I can even see a workable idea of a very limited "free tier" where users get credit for seeding and can redeem that credit for viewing content.
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