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level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« on: June 27, 2020, 02:39:59 am »
Just try watching anything popular with the general public on youtube! nowadays.
example- A Burning CANDLE in Epoxy Resin post
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/a-burning-candle-in-epoxy-resin/
popular youtube video  Circuit boards with lights in epoxy in a table  5,106,399 views
you get hit with waves of advertising mixed in with the video it self.
this is getting ridiculous.  advertising approaching the levels as free-to-air TV channels
anyone else experiencing similar things?   >:D  no links to youtube needed

by anything not so popular I am saying, anything that is hard core technical or specialist geeky.
as I like to see most of the time.
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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2020, 02:45:30 am »
This is why I block all ads, including Youtube pre-roll video ads. I haven't watched an ad on Youtube for years. I use Adblock Plus in combination with the Ghostery browser plugin. It's extremely effective.

Alternatively, can view Dave's videos on LBRY without ads at all.
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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2020, 02:59:18 am »
You can pre-open pages to mitigate, but they then implemented lost-focus detection and will replay ADs after a certain period of time if the page is not in focus.
Trivial to spoof if there's a demand for it.
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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2020, 03:37:47 am »
It's extremely effective.

For now. Until YT decides to block AD blockers.

There is always that risk whenever you circumvent something, but as I said, this combination has worked for me for several years and it has never not worked. I doubt Google would bother putting too much time and effort trying to prevent a relatively small number of users from blocking their ads. It's just not worth it. If they can get 90% of users to display their ads, that's good enough. They won't ever prevent users who use ad blockers from using their services either, it would be a suicide mission, particularly as most modern browsers have built-in ad blocking.

This method doesn't just block the pre-roll ads either, it prevents the ads which are interspersed within the videos as well.
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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2020, 03:41:16 am »
Do not use the "youtube app", on any mobile device.

On the website, I play a 3 hour video with no included ads, and it just plays this is with no ad blocker

On the app, it loads up 2 adds at the start. and includes and extra one every 15 minutes,

I also suspect the creator is not seeing that ad revenue as the specific creator I was watching does not have ads set on any of his videos
 

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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2020, 03:53:09 am »
If they can get 90% of users to display their ads, that's good enough.

More like 0.9%. As you'd said, browsers have built-in AD blockers.

As far as I'm aware, the vast majority of those ad blockers don't block YouTube's video ads.
 

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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2020, 04:00:07 am »
As far as I'm aware, the vast majority of those ad blockers don't block YouTube's video ads.

I have ABP installed with default configuration, and it blocks all inter-video ADs, and only shows white screen with a skip AD button for pre-video ADs.
ABP is installed from FireFox extension store, FF is preinstalled with Ubuntu and updated automatically. It doesn't get more "stock" than this.

Yep ABP does to some degree but I've had mixed results with it over the years. Also ABP isn't a built-in ad blocker that comes with browsers, users need to manually install it. My point specifically related to those built-in blockers which come as part of the browser itself without the user needing to install a third-party plugin. Google isn't about to block all those users out of their services (particularly those using Chrome). The latest "browser wars" have basically come down to Firefox, Chrome and arguably Opera. Could you imagine if Google's own products didn't work with their browser out of the box?

With Ghostery, even the white screen is gone. No evidence of any ads or placeholders at all.
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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2020, 05:35:44 am »
normally I am too lazy to install ad block but recently I noticed it was getting downright intrusive (same fucking soap advertisement showing bear men lathering themselves up for 3 minutes) on a 5 minute video just pissed me off

now I just buy giant tubs of synthetic detergent chemical blue color body wash.

i want to see those fucking actors hunted down by the predator if they are so manly with the natural bar soap.
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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2020, 06:39:14 am »
I don't see any ads on Youtube because I have premium. A good way to avoid ads and give revenue to creators BTW (minus Youtube's cut of course).
Creators have the option to enabled in-video ads either automatically or at specific points in the video.
I've heard it's fairly lucrative but I don't do it because I don't want my videos interrupted with ads.
 

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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2020, 06:48:14 am »
I still get ads on my mobile as I use the native Youtube application and it's getting beyond the joke. In a 22 minute video, I had to skip 8 separate ads.
 

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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2020, 07:21:32 am »
I use only NoScript and uBlock Origin on Pale Moon and haven't seen an ad anywhere for years. I use them on Firefox too, but I don't use Firefox enough to comment. I also use a hosts file, but haven't updated it in a long time.
 

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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2020, 07:29:32 am »
normally I am too lazy to install ad block but recently I noticed it was getting downright intrusive (same fucking soap advertisement showing bear men lathering themselves up for 3 minutes) on a 5 minute video just pissed me off

LoL @ coppercone2.
I have to wonder what is in your browser history to cause youtube to target you with those adds  ;D

I get pickup truck, chocolate bar and more recently ads for that google-shit "honey" browser addon
 

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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2020, 07:36:27 am »
 just get endless 15 second long Telstra "where here to help" ads, and occasional KFC silent 5 seconds ads,
 

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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2020, 07:41:11 am »
normally I am too lazy to install ad block but recently I noticed it was getting downright intrusive (same fucking soap advertisement showing bear men lathering themselves up for 3 minutes) on a 5 minute video just pissed me off

LoL @ coppercone2.
I have to wonder what is in your browser history to cause youtube to target you with those adds  ;D

I get pickup truck, chocolate bar and more recently ads for that google-shit "honey" browser addon

i think it was bush crafting videos
 

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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2020, 07:43:18 am »
You don't use an AD blocker?
Yes. Use an AD blocker and disable tracking 'pixels'. I started the video from that thread but no commercials at all. I never have commercials in any Youtube video unless it is part of the content the Youtuber uploaded. I'm using adblock plus and Firefox (which also can block tracking pixels as part of the privacy settings; there is no use serving somebody ads if they don't know what to show).
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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2020, 07:45:04 am »
For now. Until YT decides to block AD blockers. This has been done on virtually all Chinese video sites, as they implemented server-side AD blocking -- they won't serve you any media until after a certain delay. Either watch the AD, or watch a black screen. You can pre-open pages to mitigate, but they then implemented lost-focus detection and will replay ADs after a certain period of time if the page is not in focus.

YT is already starting to do that since last week (at least for me), i get a white screen when i try to watch a video. Looks like i can't get around this as i already have ABP, NoScript and a pihole running... I wouldn't mind having the option to just see one ad per video to support the creator, but right now i can only choose between the full barrage of ads or nothing. This also goes for other website, a lot of them seem to have switched to two 1/4 wide video side banners on both sides (probably due to a massive decrease in ad revenue). I have nothing against a few nonintrusive ads but this is getting ridiculous, do they really expect that people stay on their site when half of your monitor is filled with annoing video ads?

I can understand their motivation, they don't get as much ad revenue because more people started to use ad blockers-> they have to make more money with less ad views-> more aggresive ads->more people switch to adblockers.
 
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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2020, 07:49:34 am »
For now. Until YT decides to block AD blockers. This has been done on virtually all Chinese video sites, as they implemented server-side AD blocking -- they won't serve you any media until after a certain delay. Either watch the AD, or watch a black screen. You can pre-open pages to mitigate, but they then implemented lost-focus detection and will replay ADs after a certain period of time if the page is not in focus.
i get a white screen when i try to watch a video.

Try the Ghostery browser plugin. Like I mentioned before, no placeholders and no ads.
 

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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2020, 09:38:04 am »
I still get ads on my mobile as I use the native Youtube application and it's getting beyond the joke. In a 22 minute video, I had to skip 8 separate ads.

Me too. The amount of ads on some videos is atrocious. What's just as exasperating too is seeing the same ads over and over and over again. I swear Audible must have a bottomless advertising budget because they make up 50% of all the YT ads I see.

One thing I have noticed is that the amount of ads is greater when you watch a video very soon after release. Wait a couple of days and there are far fewer (usually just pre-/post-roll).

I would love to use a browser with ad-blocker on mobile to watch YT, but for some reason the native YT app is far more efficient at playing video. Playing in browser saps battery life and makes the phone hotter, presumably due to increased CPU usage.
 

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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2020, 11:42:21 am »
Are you people unaware that the way the universe works is that people receive services, and pay money in return? That's how it works. That's how you have a job. That's how you have money. That's why there are businesses like department stores and supermarkets. That's how it works. You RECEIVE a service, and in turn you PAY for the service.

Is there some belief that, for some insane reason, computer software and youtube videos are somehow different? They aren't. Advertisements are the way that you pay for the service. Ideally, you click on them so the poor youtube creator can make $0.00002 of revenue for his hard work.

Yeah, great, block the ads. And as is happening now, tech and other useful stuff on youtube will dwindle to nothing, and all we'll be left with is videos of cats playing piano that get 25 trillion views.  :palm:

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« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2020, 11:47:15 am »
engrguy42, In your context would you agree there is some threshold where there are so many ads you feel the service is not worth your time to watch? for many its once they have hit that threshold they likley went looking elsewhere, came back defeated and resorted to these solutions,

For me, I am still left puzzled where the money exactly goes when the app crams in 10 ads, where on a non ad blocked browser there are 0 set in the video by the creator.
 

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« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2020, 11:52:06 am »
What's annoying is lots of the adverts are at random places, often in the middle of a word!

I question how effective advertising is, because I don't even know what most of it is for. Often it's some stupid music, with an easily forgettable logo, I don't even recognise and have no desire to look up.
 

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« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2020, 11:58:46 am »
engrguy42, In your context would you agree there is some threshold where there are so many ads you feel the service is not worth your time to watch? for many its once they have hit that threshold they likley went looking elsewhere, came back defeated and resorted to these solutions,

For me, I am still left puzzled where the money exactly goes when the app crams in 10 ads, where on a non ad blocked browser there are 0 set in the video by the creator.

Gimme a break. "Not worth your time"?? Let's be honest here shall we? You're watching youtube instead of attending an important meeting? No, most people watch youtube for entertainment, and most videos are about 10 minutes long. You have time. Let's not act like we're so busy with important stuff, huh?

You should be clicking ads, hitting the LIKE button so often you get carpal tunnel, subscribing left and right, and doing everything you can think of to support the youtube creators who provide useful stuff. Instead, most people feel entitled to get exactly what they want for free, and if they don't get it they click off and watch videos of cats.
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Re: level of Advertising is getting Ridiculous
« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2020, 12:07:50 pm »
I do not use an adblocker on youtube on my phone. so I fall outside of your issue as that is where most of my content consumption happens, on the website youtube is below my threshold, for the app it is above it, so I dropped using the app,

I'm also a patreon to my favorite creators, so your kind of white knighting at the wrong guy, I want to know where you would say "This is too much",

News websites and other websites I have abandoned because there was too many or aggressive ads, Gizmodo for an example with autoplay video and audio ads that chase you around the page, but a quick look seems like they have reduced the number some what since then.

My exact context is hours long scientific videos that I listen to while driving between sites, 5 minute unstoppable ads are way past the threshold that I am willing to deal with
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« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2020, 12:12:58 pm »
Adverts in a video are for the non savvy, who are much more likely to click on the ad, and actually buy the product being advertised, than those who are able to use the ad blocker. If you are blocking the ads then the chances of you buying anything from an ad is so much lower than if you did not, so rather go after the low hanging fruit. As a plus most advertising is wrong, the art is in getting the amount that is wrong down low enough that you make a profit.

the Audible ad is likely a placeholder ad, low price to the provider, and played whenever there is not enough info available in the algorithm to decide on a better targeted ad, so roll through the low cost ads in the hope to get more analytical data.

At work not my computer, and I do enough random searches to confuse the ad algorithm anyway, plus never actually signed into my own account there ever, so the ads I get are random, or related to older searches.  Did install adblock there for Chrome, more to stop annoying audio and video ads, than anything else. If I want personal email I use my phone, and the DuckDuckGo browser addon, which, while it does sweet FA about Google tracking links from Gmail ( go figure, if the mobile Gmail mail client cannot do a ping, then it simply does a redirect through google to get the data) or the other trackers, at least i do not waste the data I pay for on annoying underlay ads, instead getting just a black screen in place of them, plus almost no ads or trackers otherwise on pages.

Only a couple of publishers who went online from print have the ability to serve all the ads they want to irrespective of adblocking and blacklists, because they did their homework, and host the ads themselves, and do all the analytics in house as well, so blocking the ads almost invariably ( unless you get very granular in the blacklist to block specific parts of sites) results in no content at all being delivered. However having the ad served from your own server means you control the type of ad served, and how much it can do as well. Much less chance of malware then, though it does mean you will have a proper web developer team, and vet every incoming advert as well.
 

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« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2020, 12:15:43 pm »
Are you people unaware that the way the universe works is that people receive services, and pay money in return? That's how it works. That's how you have a job. That's how you have money. That's why there are businesses like department stores and supermarkets. That's how it works. You RECEIVE a service, and in turn you PAY for the service.

Is there some belief that, for some insane reason, computer software and youtube videos are somehow different? They aren't. Advertisements are the way that you pay for the service. Ideally, you click on them so the poor youtube creator can make $0.00002 of revenue for his hard work.

Yeah, great, block the ads. And as is happening now, tech and other useful stuff on youtube will dwindle to nothing, and all we'll be left with is videos of cats playing piano that get 25 trillion views.  :palm:

Exactly, we are talking about products. If i don't like them, i don't buy them. Same goes for websites/videos: If i don't like the obscene amounts of ads, i won't view the ads. If a Youtuber or a website only has a modest amounts of ads and i like their content i'll disable my adblocker for them.
It's their choice to plaster everything with annoying video ads if they want to maximize the profit per page visit, but that comes at the cost of annoying people-> not sustainable as almost all visitors will use adblockers or go somewhere else. Sure, switching to nonintrusive ads will lower the profit at first, but it is sustainable when frequent visitors don't mind having a few ads->they will switch off their adblockers, giving you a constant viewerbase that gets you money via ad views.
 


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