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| Gyro:
--- Quote from: IDEngineer on January 31, 2024, 04:45:28 pm ---Cigarettes. Candles. Fireplaces. All gas appliances including cooktops, ovens, furnaces, water heaters. Their electric equivalents can also start fires. While you sleep! Ask the airline industry about lithium batteries. You likely have them all over your house. Where does it end? --- End quote --- Err, not leaving cigarettes, candles and unguarded fires burning when you go to bed? Also having appliances that are properly wired, manufactured and serviced? Sure, lots of things contain lithium batteries (not my point - I was talking about the fake Chinese ebikes that we see catching fire in the night while being charged with an equally fake charger). We rely on properly designed and manufactured stuff for our safety while we sleep! Probably a good point for it to end, the other stuff you mentioned are conscious decisions while awake. |
| IDEngineer:
--- Quote from: Siwastaja on January 31, 2024, 04:50:10 pm --- --- Quote from: IDEngineer on January 31, 2024, 03:32:18 pm ---Should we ban motorcycles? --- End quote --- Nearly every other country has banned non-fused extension cords not rated to the rating of the socket --- End quote --- Which socket? Breakered or fused to what amperage? There are 18ga, 16ga, 14ga, and 12ga extension cords all with the same plugs and sockets. Yes, amperage specific sockets do exist but they're rare except in places like hospitals. A motorcycle isn't a straw man at all. They're legal in every country AFAIK, first world or not. There's a reason people joke darkly about their riders being organ donors no matter what kind of helmet they do(n't) wear. Yet you can buy one today and not only risk your own well being but those around you too. Civilized societies accept that life involves risks. We knowingly make risk tradeoffs every day. Many tens of thousands are killed every year in auto accidents yet we keep them around because as a society we accept that the benefit outweighs the risk. So too for all the other examples I posted above. All have demonstrated lethal risks, all are accepted by society. A lightweight line cord doesn't even move the needle. |
| Gyro:
The concept nay, requirement, that a downstream cable must be appropriately rated for the next upstream protective device is fundamental. If you don't understand that, then you're on the wrong forum. |
| IDEngineer:
...and yet society seems to leave it to the individual to insure that, at least with extension cords. How are line cords different? The requirement that you not be intoxicated while driving has actual legal penalties for its violation - yet cars don't have breathalyzers. Apparently we trust the typical individual to assess their ability to safely control a multi-ton piece of equipment with no oversight, just reactions after the accident/fatality. The examples are endless. Bottom line: Society accepts lethal risks in many areas. Apparently extension cords are just too convenient to prohibit, along with countless other products which are lethal when misused. I would guess most of those users aren't "professionally qualified" to assess the dangers of most things they buy and use yet they buy and use them every day. I'm with Siwastaja, I don't want a nanny state either. |
| Gyro:
Legit manufacturers obey the law, hence you can only get dodgy imported thin line cords. You take these decisions for your kids too - I assume they sleep at night too? |
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