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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #125 on: August 18, 2023, 11:32:49 am »
I think the former employee probably was on the receiving end of some verbal sexual statements.
However, I find it interesting that in her LTT PC build video she herself said a few verbal sexual things to Linus.  I remember she made a sexual innuendo joke to his face about him having small hands. It was funny and no one considered that harassment, but it may have set her up to be on the receiving end of that sort of stuff too. Since it may have set coworker expectations on where her 'ok' 'not ok' line was.

To be clear I'm not defending or excusing any sort of SA if that did occur. I don't know what really happened. I'm just saying she came across in the video as someone you could joke around with, who would be fine with it, and who would give as good as she got. Which may have not been the case and could easy end in accusations of inappropriate behavior
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« Reply #126 on: August 18, 2023, 12:42:04 pm »
I think the former employee probably was on the receiving end of some verbal sexual statements.
However, I find it interesting that in her LTT PC build video she herself said a few verbal sexual things to Linus.  I remember she made a sexual innuendo joke to his face about him having small hands. It was funny and no one considered that harassment, but it may have set her up to be on the receiving end of that sort of stuff too. Since it may have set coworker expectations on where her 'ok' 'not ok' line was.

To be clear I'm not defending or excusing any sort of SA if that did occur. I don't know what really happened. I'm just saying she came across in the video as someone you could joke around with, who would be fine with it, and who would give as good as she got. Which may have not been the case and could easy end in accusations of inappropriate behavior

That's always a tricky situation.

I'm on the older side, not to say I'm stuffy or stodgy or anything. I'm ex-military and can make a sailor blush when I'm in the right company. However I'm old-fashioned enough to respect the professional workplace. Perhaps I'll say such things during water cooler talk with one of my best male work friends, but never in a group setting. I've worked with a female for a few years now, she grew up an Army brat, and has said things at work that made ME blush if you can believe it. She has quite an "inappropriate" sense of humor that I find hilarious. However I'm not taking the bait and reciprocating. All it would take is some falling out with her, or someone sensitive to overhear, then I'm in HR saying "yeah but she said that" kind of back and forth. Which might result in us both being fired (our HR dept has a zero tolerance policy for harassment, I've seen good, long-tenured people fired on the spot before for saying stupid things). So I'm not about to even put myself in that situation.

Younger generations today seem to take a more aloof view of these things (the "blokey environment" mentioned earlier) and I agree that's likely at play here.

To be clear, I'm not suggesting she didn't receive some undeserved hurtful and unprofessional comments. That said, based on what I'm hearing, I'm much more inclined to blame the harsh working conditions at LMG (as others have noted) for her misery.
 
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« Reply #127 on: August 18, 2023, 11:34:07 pm »
This is entirely a pile on that probably wouldn't have blown up without much of the LTT response.

Yep, almost certainly none of this would have happened if Linus didn't respond. Everyone smells blood in the water now.
 

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« Reply #128 on: August 18, 2023, 11:56:11 pm »
Cool drama.
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
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« Reply #130 on: August 19, 2023, 11:56:57 am »
I think they are very optimistic at taking a week break to fix/address all company procedures and systems.
2 months maybe, but not a week. Maybe a week just to build a good list of things to fix.
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« Reply #131 on: August 19, 2023, 03:38:02 pm »
I wonder after all this if Linus is rethinking that $100M offer...
 

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« Reply #132 on: August 19, 2023, 04:46:04 pm »
My suggested videos feed apparently showed a video from them about the ex-employee drama but it might have been pulled - that or many of the other channels made thumbnails that seemed to be official... Can't say for sure as I just glanced. 

All that said, they will only sink if Linus himself decides to call it quits due to the piling up. Many other people/channels recovered from much worse.
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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #134 on: August 19, 2023, 07:49:53 pm »
I wonder after all this if Linus is rethinking that $100M offer...

Most likely, the 100M$ would include a clause that would keep him at LTT for x (or xx) years after the purchase. Probably wouldn't have helped him much.
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #135 on: August 19, 2023, 08:57:05 pm »
I wonder after all this if Linus is rethinking that $100M offer...

Most likely, the 100M$ would include a clause that would keep him at LTT for x (or xx) years after the purchase. Probably wouldn't have helped him much.

Also likely came with some kind of phased payout, e.g. $20M per year or requiring Linus to maintain an equity share in the parent company for some time.
 
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« Reply #136 on: August 19, 2023, 11:23:08 pm »
Not to mention the purchasing company would probably have some clause about pre-existing issues that would affect the value of the company.
 

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« Reply #137 on: August 20, 2023, 07:02:30 am »
If your business model is stagnation, I would have sold out. 

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« Reply #138 on: August 20, 2023, 07:23:26 am »
LTT will almost definitely come out of this fine and probably get higher offers than 100M in 10 years.
At least that is my guess.

It's just a once in 5-10 year f-up that every company goes through from time to time.

I think a short break/re-think was necessary though, they need to address issues and start doing things with structure/oversite that better matches with the size company they have become.
The bigger you get as a company the more man-hours it takes to get the same work done. Just a byproduct of the additional time overhead that comes with having more and more people required to produce more and more complicated things. Extra meetings etc..

Companies that grow bigger but keep trying to function the same way they did as a small company is a common issue in business.
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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #139 on: August 20, 2023, 08:40:59 am »
I think they are very optimistic at taking a week break to fix/address all company procedures and systems.
2 months maybe, but not a week. Maybe a week just to build a good list of things to fix.

2 months is suicide.
They should not have even stopped IMO.
What's done it done, it's not like they are going to win any of the haters back.
It's not rocket science to just technically check videos more thoroughly now. They have 100+ staff, they could afford to devote one or two people full time to QA'ing content so to speak.
And not just at the end process before release, but have them walk around and check in on current videos being produced to make sure they aren't skimping.
 
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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #140 on: August 20, 2023, 10:26:42 pm »
It's a tough call. I don't even think 2 months is enough to make lasting changes, especially at the speed they were running at. I think their 1 week hiatus was more in thanks to Linus emotional response. If he had slept a night over it, had some meetings with other chiefs, or possibly let the CEO do the talking, I think they might have gotten away without a hiatus. People would be mad, but some people will find any reason to twist words and create personal attacks.

I was also going through some social media stuff, and found this: https://twitter.com/TimHolowachuk/status/1654291480494899200

The linked video is on the large comments posted on inconsistent CPU cooler testing, with large deltas and and missed CPUs thermal throttling on their own reference platform with Noctua coolers, and finally, a lack of understanding how to pick up on errors and outliers.

Not to say interns work is bad, but a students learning experience should be prioritized above delivering production ready materials. I wonder if some errors went undetected since guiding students properly requires a lot of time and patience to get them to do it right. Plus then to check their work anyways.. which is hard to do if this student spent literal weeks in the lab swapping coolers and running stress tests.

 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #141 on: August 20, 2023, 10:49:28 pm »
It's a tough call. I don't even think 2 months is enough to make lasting changes, especially at the speed they were running at. I think their 1 week hiatus was more in thanks to Linus emotional response. If he had slept a night over it, had some meetings with other chiefs, or possibly let the CEO do the talking, I think they might have gotten away without a hiatus. People would be mad, but some people will find any reason to twist words and create personal attacks.

There is no "getting away with it". Those who want to be pissed off will be pissed off regardless of what you do.
No response at all I'm sure would not have resulted in the 200k loss in subs in 2 days.
This all happened because they "tried to fix it", and then doubled down trying to fix it. And the trippled down by halting production. Now everyone smells blood in the water.
 
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« Reply #142 on: August 20, 2023, 10:57:22 pm »
It's a tough call. I don't even think 2 months is enough to make lasting changes, especially at the speed they were running at. I think their 1 week hiatus was more in thanks to Linus emotional response. If he had slept a night over it, had some meetings with other chiefs, or possibly let the CEO do the talking, I think they might have gotten away without a hiatus. People would be mad, but some people will find any reason to twist words and create personal attacks.

There is no "getting away with it". Those who want to be pissed off will be pissed off regardless of what you do.
No response at all I'm sure would not have resulted in the 200k loss in subs in 2 days.
This all happened because they "tried to fix it", and then doubled down trying to fix it. And the trippled down by halting production. Now everyone smells blood in the water.

Agreed. And it was already a tricky time for LTT with the turned down offer (which made a lot of people talk), the new CEO, etc. So they should have thought twice before reacting.
I've watched the "What do we do now?" video - looks like something that won't help either.
 
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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #143 on: August 21, 2023, 08:08:04 am »
I think they are very optimistic at taking a week break to fix/address all company procedures and systems.
2 months maybe, but not a week. Maybe a week just to build a good list of things to fix.

2 months is suicide.

I wasn't actually suggesting they should have taken 2 months. I was just commenting that them saying they will take 1 week off to fix things seemed silly because that would actually take ~2 months.
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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #144 on: August 21, 2023, 08:27:25 am »
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2 months is suicide.

Would it be? Sure, views and subscriptions might go down but for something as well known and with such a massive footprint as LTT, just think of the news and views when they did come back. I reckon views would be off the chart, since even the detractors would want to see what's changed (maybe so they could pick holes, but so what).
 

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« Reply #145 on: August 22, 2023, 01:03:57 pm »
You're at the mercy of an algorithm with no idea how it works.
If they stopped uploading anything for a few months it could set their YT income/reach back years, or not at all.
 
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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #146 on: August 22, 2023, 01:25:49 pm »
So no-one knows how it works but nevertheless can say that it would stuff them unless they keep on doing.. something.

OTOH, a huge spike might get them on the virtual front page and lead to more views leading to algorithm love. No-one knows, yet they can say that's a bad move.  :-//

[Edit: How does the algorithm work for subscriptions? I mean, if you subscribe the algorithm isn't going to unsubscribe you, is it? So after however long the LTT channel should still have roughly the same subscribers as now and it's non-subscribers who may be affected. So the channel won't suddenly die but will get subscriber views as soon as it starts output again. Plus the new viewer who just want to see wtf it's all about and how they're still screwed up. And I suspect the algorithm isn't immune to some boss saying "that's a channel it would be worth promoting" (or even demoting if it's mouthed off about Youtube).]
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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #147 on: August 28, 2023, 02:44:21 am »
Update.
An MXO4 scope spotted at 6:02

I still don't think this video was needed. It's trying to appease everyone and it can never do that. Haters will still hate, fans will still watch.
As he said toward the end with regards to empoyee turnover, it's vanishing small (1.9% medium, excluding fired people).
Having to justify their company work culture by having to show security footage of the parking lot just seems desperate. I feel sorry that they felt pressured so much that they had to do that, you can see it in Linus's eyes.


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« Reply #148 on: August 28, 2023, 04:14:30 am »
Yeah, seen it. At least it wasn't as bad as the two previous ones IMHO, so they're certainly "learning" to handle this better as far as communication goes.

I don't think being exposed to such a wide audience worldwide is a sane thing overall, but that's the crux of these businesses, so that's an integral part of them. You can get very successful but can also be shot down in a matter of a few hours. You get more exposure (and most of all, scrutiny) than even the most famous stars would just a couple decades ago.

Not something I would personally enjoy. But if you base your professional life on it, I guess you better get seriously used to it.

 

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« Reply #149 on: August 28, 2023, 06:27:05 am »
Yeah, seen it. At least it wasn't as bad as the two previous ones IMHO, so they're certainly "learning" to handle this better as far as communication goes.

But hey haven't learned the real lesson, futility.
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