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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #150 on: August 28, 2023, 08:14:13 am »
I'm not a LTT hater but I wouldn't willingly watch any of their videos (and I don't like the way Linus treats the kit, without respect or apparently any mechanical sympathy). But that video you just posted would otherwise encourage me to look forward to their new output and I can see it easily making their fans salivate and the can't-quite-decide crowd fall on the side of renewed interest.

Whether they needed to do it or not, or however the whole thing started, I think they've scored a plus if for no other reason than they've shown they are actually a professional outfit with big boy procedures behind the scenes, as opposed to a bunch of kids in long trousers in an overgrown bedroom. (Although whether they actually are is beside the point - the video lets them show what they want to be and which most viewers wouldn't think about).
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #151 on: August 28, 2023, 09:23:05 am »
Linus turned down a $100M offer for Linus Tech Tips. 60% cash, 40% equity.
And he (plus his wife) are the sole owners.
Repect  :-+



But he doesn't care about auctioning off a prototype of a cooler to competitors right after he makes a video about how terrible it is because it didn't work so great for an unsupported setup
 

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« Reply #152 on: August 28, 2023, 10:02:13 am »
But he doesn't care about auctioning off a prototype of a cooler to competitors right after he makes a video about how terrible it is because it didn't work so great for an unsupported setup

They totally screwed that up to the nth degree yes, but we can't really look at one bad thing and judge the company or the person on that alone. Or let that define them.

We have to look at all the good and all the bad as a whole and then decide....Is LTT a force for good, or a force for evil, and/or where does it stand in between those.

I think it's pretty high up on the 'good' side, but no-one is perfect and this recent situation has definitely lowered them a little.
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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #153 on: August 28, 2023, 10:53:14 am »
Update.
An MXO4 scope spotted at 6:02 ...


At the same scene there are also a LeCroy scope, Chroma power meter and DMM on the top shelf and 2x 5 mainframe 63600 series loads below it.

Any idea what is the chamber behind Linus?
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #154 on: August 28, 2023, 12:44:23 pm »
But he doesn't care about auctioning off a prototype of a cooler to competitors right after he makes a video about how terrible it is because it didn't work so great for an unsupported setup

They totally screwed that up to the nth degree yes, but we can't really look at one bad thing and judge the company or the person on that alone. Or let that define them.

We have to look at all the good and all the bad as a whole and then decide....Is LTT a force for good, or a force for evil, and/or where does it stand in between those.

I think it's pretty high up on the 'good' side, but no-one is perfect and this recent situation has definitely lowered them a little.

What about clearly bad reviews. when new cpu's come out some of his reviews show like 5x better performance than any other cpu and they just roll with it, like there clearly hasnt been some benchmarking error.
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #155 on: August 28, 2023, 10:18:51 pm »
At the same scene there are also a LeCroy scope, Chroma power meter and DMM on the top shelf and 2x 5 mainframe 63600 series loads below it.
Any idea what is the chamber behind Linus?

The rack is the PSU test station
They are also installing an automated keyboard tester, RF chambers, temp chambers, acoustic chambers etc. Huge operation.
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #156 on: August 28, 2023, 10:44:49 pm »
But he doesn't care about auctioning off a prototype of a cooler to competitors right after he makes a video about how terrible it is because it didn't work so great for an unsupported setup

They totally screwed that up to the nth degree yes, but we can't really look at one bad thing and judge the company or the person on that alone. Or let that define them.

We have to look at all the good and all the bad as a whole and then decide....Is LTT a force for good, or a force for evil, and/or where does it stand in between those.

I think it's pretty high up on the 'good' side, but no-one is perfect and this recent situation has definitely lowered them a little.

What about clearly bad reviews. when new cpu's come out some of his reviews show like 5x better performance than any other cpu and they just roll with it, like there clearly hasnt been some benchmarking error.
So that happened how many times? I think that was a GPU.

If you're going to continue to fixate on one previous mistake then it doesn't matter what they're going to do from here in your mind. You've never made a mistake right?
 
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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #157 on: August 28, 2023, 11:42:22 pm »
So that happened how many times? I think that was a GPU.
If you're going to continue to fixate on one previous mistake then it doesn't matter what they're going to do from here in your mind. You've never made a mistake right?

Yeah, I don't understand why so many people are fixating on literally a couple of mistakes.
I'm starting to see the signs of a Linus Derangement Syndrone developing.
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #158 on: August 29, 2023, 04:09:06 am »
So that happened how many times? I think that was a GPU.
If you're going to continue to fixate on one previous mistake then it doesn't matter what they're going to do from here in your mind. You've never made a mistake right?

Yeah, I don't understand why so many people are fixating on literally a couple of mistakes.
I'm starting to see the signs of a Linus Derangement Syndrone developing.

I wish people were as strict when judging the actions of their political leaders.
 
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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #159 on: August 29, 2023, 07:17:59 am »
But he doesn't care about auctioning off a prototype of a cooler to competitors right after he makes a video about how terrible it is because it didn't work so great for an unsupported setup

They totally screwed that up to the nth degree yes, but we can't really look at one bad thing and judge the company or the person on that alone. Or let that define them.

We have to look at all the good and all the bad as a whole and then decide....Is LTT a force for good, or a force for evil, and/or where does it stand in between those.

I think it's pretty high up on the 'good' side, but no-one is perfect and this recent situation has definitely lowered them a little.

What about clearly bad reviews. when new cpu's come out some of his reviews show like 5x better performance than any other cpu and they just roll with it, like there clearly hasnt been some benchmarking error.
So that happened how many times? I think that was a GPU.

If you're going to continue to fixate on one previous mistake then it doesn't matter what they're going to do from here in your mind. You've never made a mistake right?

So him possibly destroying a company when he was specifically told to give the prototype back to them, is just "oh well, no biggie"
After such an action, nobody will ever trust linus again, and for good reason.
Did he ever apologize even?

So that happened how many times? I think that was a GPU.
If you're going to continue to fixate on one previous mistake then it doesn't matter what they're going to do from here in your mind. You've never made a mistake right?

Yeah, I don't understand why so many people are fixating on literally a couple of mistakes.
I'm starting to see the signs of a Linus Derangement Syndrone developing.

I wish people were as strict when judging the actions of their political leaders.


Not to bring conspiracies into this but it's pretty well known that political leaders buy out media companies and other people to make it so their PR isnt destroyed by their actions.
Money sure does buy immunity
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #160 on: August 29, 2023, 08:27:56 am »
So him possibly destroying a company when he was specifically told to give the prototype back to them, is just "oh well, no biggie"
After such an action, nobody will ever trust linus again, and for good reason.
Did he ever apologize even?

If he had intended to destroy the company or sold the product intentionally then your statement.. "After such an action, nobody will ever trust linus again, and for good reason"  would make sense. But it was a mistake. It was sold due to poor internal communication and management.  It should have been set aside to be returned but was not and so ended up being sold with a lot of other stuff.

He gave them the cash value they asked for to replace it. So they can continue development.
You could argue that he only gave them the money after this all blew up. But that doesn't prove anything.
I'm pretty confident he would have given them the money regardless, but we will never know.

We have no idea if he apologized to them or not. It's not like we have any right to know if he did or did not apologized. It's between him and them, not us.

The whole "selling their prototype' thing isn't that bad, it was just a mistake and they have money to replace it now.  by far the worst thing was their review of the product itself. It didn't get a fair review, and Linus did admit that. 
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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #161 on: August 29, 2023, 03:45:48 pm »
So him possibly destroying a company when he was specifically told to give the prototype back to them, is just "oh well, no biggie"
After such an action, nobody will ever trust linus again, and for good reason.
Did he ever apologize even?
First, lets not confuse their business development, account managers and procurement with just the presenter on screen. Although Linus is owner, was CEO, still chief executive, that doesn't mean he can be involved in absolutely everything and was aware of handling that external communications. It was also shown in these last 2 videos what happened with the communication breakdowns.

Once it was known that thing was auctioned off, I think he did apologize on WAN show. But previously he also doubled down on their review stance.

I'm sure people will say "coincidence, think not", but I don't really have the information to conclude their intent fully. From their evidence, its clear that communication breakdown happened and thats on them to fix, but its something completely different to paint someone as an evil villain because of their visibility or current position.

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Not to bring conspiracies into this but it's pretty well known that political leaders buy out media companies and other people to make it so their PR isnt destroyed by their actions.
Money sure does buy immunity
Eh, I'm not going to deny that this is how it works in some jurisdictions for sure.
I'm also sure none media outlet which is unbiased, free of any propaganda (even if it is copy-pasting anxiety-inducing gov statements) or stuff like that.
But I'm also not going to drag everyone which against my views into some kind of conspiracy.
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #162 on: August 29, 2023, 09:06:53 pm »
Not to bring conspiracies into this but it's pretty well known that political leaders buy out media companies and other people to make it so their PR isnt destroyed by their actions.
Money sure does buy immunity

So maybe Linus should buy out Youtube. ;D
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #163 on: August 29, 2023, 09:54:10 pm »
Not to bring conspiracies into this but it's pretty well known that political leaders buy out media companies and other people to make it so their PR isnt destroyed by their actions.
Money sure does buy immunity

So maybe Linus should buy out Youtube. ;D

That doesn't really work because youtube doesn't report on you, the viewer does.
That's why you don't see many political leaders making youtube videos, it's bound to be a PR nightmare, and you can't stop it because youtube doesn't do any reporting like for example CNN "does"  ;D
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #164 on: August 30, 2023, 12:58:09 am »
After such an action, nobody will ever trust linus again, and for good reason.

LOL, nope. The vast majority of viewers either don't know nor care what happened. Not everyone follows the LTT forum that closely or watches drama videos etc.
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #165 on: August 30, 2023, 03:54:53 am »
This is a petty drama, a tragedy only to those who .... i will leave it at that.
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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #166 on: August 30, 2023, 07:01:47 am »
For those still interested: good take from Ian Cutress.

 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #167 on: August 30, 2023, 08:33:32 pm »
The problem with tech media and media in general, to be fair, is as much with the media creators themselves than with the viewers.
It takes two to tango, as they say.
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #168 on: August 30, 2023, 11:52:14 pm »
It takes two to tango, as they say.

Which is why IMO Linus should never have engaged. Let GN have his whinge video, that's on him. Even if there were plenty of valid points, a simple blog post "Yeah, we hear you, thanks, we'll try and do better".
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #169 on: August 31, 2023, 02:11:01 am »
They just released their first "normal" video since the whole drama. It's been a few hours and they already have almost 1M views on it.
I'm not too worried for them.
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #170 on: August 31, 2023, 03:47:47 am »
They just released their first "normal" video since the whole drama. It's been a few hours and they already have almost 1M views on it.
I'm not too worried for them.

fyi, engagement and trust aren't the same thing
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #171 on: August 31, 2023, 07:06:43 am »
What about the time they "not-reviewed" a gaming mouse and said how dissapointing it is because it has a lot of friction.
Then when the company that made the mouse contacted them and told that they didn't remove the protective feet, and that's the reason it had so much friction.
They responded with "we did remove it"... the company sent them a screenshot from the video showing how clearly they didn't remove it. And all linus did was post a comment in the video.

So linus has been a PR nightmare for 2 companies now.


You are supporting someone who cares more about his own PR than others. If he didn't, he would go out of his way to correct both mistakes in something like a re-review.
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #172 on: August 31, 2023, 07:32:21 am »
They just released their first "normal" video since the whole drama. It's been a few hours and they already have almost 1M views on it.
I'm not too worried for them.

I see zero comments about the hoopla, that seems strange, are they deleting them?
Anyway it was a fun video, Linus seemed to be having fun. But maybe this was shot before the hoopla started?
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #173 on: August 31, 2023, 11:12:29 am »
They did mention that they had a few in the pipeline when the "hoopla" started.

Then again, they had the WAN show and didn't mention it either. Seems like the right things to do. "We got slapped around a bit, took corrective actions, now we forge forward".
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #174 on: August 31, 2023, 03:07:04 pm »
They just released their first "normal" video since the whole drama. It's been a few hours and they already have almost 1M views on it.
I'm not too worried for them.

fyi, engagement and trust aren't the same thing
Sure, they are not. But does it matter all that much for the content creator? From what i know about Youtube, only engagement matters.
 


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