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| wraper:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 16, 2023, 05:44:58 am --- --- Quote from: John B on August 15, 2023, 10:17:42 pm ---The errors in their videos are more forgiveable than the monoblock fiasco. Linus can claim that it was sold in error (sorry, auctioned for charity), but the fact that it crossed anyone's mind to pawn off something like that rather than giving it back to the original owners speaks a lot to the mentality of the culture there. I think once they get big enough and get accustomed to large corporations throwing free stuff at them left right and centre, they lose perspective of the time and effort involved in other peoples products and labour. --- End quote --- I don't get the intense citicism here. They made a mistake, one time :-// --- End quote --- Nope, losing their RTX 3090 Ti and selling the prototype water block was just a cherry on top after shitting on their product after improper testing and doubling down on that. They were totally aware they cannot do it properly at the moment right from the start but did not bother to halt recording of the video and do it properly afterwards. Besides that, their review videos are an error fest. Not just subtle mistakes but so blatant and frequent that it's ridiculous it ever got released. And not properly fixing extremely blatant errors after the fact as wall. |
| Veteran68:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 16, 2023, 05:44:58 am --- --- Quote from: John B on August 15, 2023, 10:17:42 pm ---The errors in their videos are more forgiveable than the monoblock fiasco. Linus can claim that it was sold in error (sorry, auctioned for charity), but the fact that it crossed anyone's mind to pawn off something like that rather than giving it back to the original owners speaks a lot to the mentality of the culture there. I think once they get big enough and get accustomed to large corporations throwing free stuff at them left right and centre, they lose perspective of the time and effort involved in other peoples products and labour. --- End quote --- I don't get the intense citicism here. They made a mistake, one time :-// --- End quote --- I think that's a gross oversimplification. First, they didn't make one mistake, one time. They are looked at as an "authoritative" source by their huge audience, and have been far too cavalier and careless with some of the incorrect information they've been putting out, mainly in an effort to flood the world with their content. Quantity over quality. Not to mention the Billet Labs fiasco which was handled poorly. While I've never been a fan of the pitchfork-and-torches cancel culture that likes to publicly crucify others for their mistakes, unless they're just clearly evil (and I don't believe LTT is), what's far more important than screwing up is how you acknowledge and address the mistakes, and that's where LTT has failed miserably. Again, their latest video I posted above is a step in the right direction, but would have gone over even better if Linus hadn't even been in the video. Or just started out contrite as everyone else did, and not try to explain or justify his reactions (again). He's just been tone deaf through the whole thing. I like Linus and respect his accomplishments, I'm just being candid about where he's dropped a major ball here. |
| tszaboo:
--- Quote from: wraper on August 16, 2023, 02:30:01 pm --- --- Quote from: PlainName on August 16, 2023, 07:29:08 am --- --- Quote from: John B on August 16, 2023, 06:30:49 am --- --- Quote from: EEVblog on August 16, 2023, 05:44:58 am --- --- Quote from: John B on August 15, 2023, 10:17:42 pm ---The errors in their videos are more forgiveable than the monoblock fiasco. Linus can claim that it was sold in error (sorry, auctioned for charity), but the fact that it crossed anyone's mind to pawn off something like that rather than giving it back to the original owners speaks a lot to the mentality of the culture there. I think once they get big enough and get accustomed to large corporations throwing free stuff at them left right and centre, they lose perspective of the time and effort involved in other peoples products and labour. --- End quote --- I don't get the intense citicism here. They made a mistake, one time :-// --- End quote --- I can't speak to what it's like getting free stuff sent in, but does it really cross your mind after a review to sell items like that? --- End quote --- AIUI, Billet contacted LTT half an hour after he said the heatsink had been sold (it was their prototype so irreplaceable and certainly not disposable at a profit). LTT ignored them for four days, and then 10 minutes after GN had blown it open Linus personally contacted them to say it was auctioned and they would sort out recompense for Billet. Doesn't sound like a mistake to me. Sounds more like a freebie sink and fuck the vendors. --- End quote --- Auction money has gone to charity. However the gist of the Billet situation and the rest that was discussed is a gross negligence which happens because LMG made a business decision to push out more videos and maximizing profit than they can reasonably do whiteout knowingly making cutting corners as the normal way to do things. And the double down that Linus made about Billet before the GN video is outrageous. Linus yet again shat on a 2 guy startup and said he cannot be bothered to spend a few hundred bucks worth of labor to test it properly. Yet totally ignoring the fact that the effort that has gone into making this thing is worth way more than. And he just trashed the thing with no due diligence whatsoever, and doubled down on top of that. And then effing sold their prototype which must never happen for a prototype of not yet released product even if it's not one of a kind, which only makes it worse. Not to say Billet apparently provided their own 3090 Ti (correct GPU) for testing which got lost somewhere at LMG. --- End quote --- A few questions: Why would you ship your only prototype to LMG for review? Seriously, who does that? Why would LMG spend their time testing and reviewing a product that they don't intend to make in quantity? Remember, LMG is an entertainment company making Youtube videos, not an independent testing house. They have a production schedule. Have you seen the contract that they had before agreeing to make a video? Probably it had a lot of lawyer text that describes the situation, and places no fault on Linus if he accidentally drops it, or sells it. --- Quote from: hans on August 16, 2023, 07:25:36 am ---It may be one half of the staff knows the value of that block, but someone else just YOLO'ed it. --- End quote --- Or even, someone went through the inventory, seeing what can be sold and what cannot, and made a decision in 2 seconds. It was probably listed "GPU waterblock, terrible, 800 USD" But yes, they could have handled it better. |
| wraper:
--- Quote from: tszaboo on August 16, 2023, 03:08:16 pm ---A few questions: Why would you ship your only prototype to LMG for review? Seriously, who does that? --- End quote --- A two guy startup with no deep pockets and which had a great opportunity to gain exposure. |
| Veteran68:
--- Quote from: wraper on August 16, 2023, 03:15:42 pm --- --- Quote from: tszaboo on August 16, 2023, 03:08:16 pm ---A few questions: Why would you ship your only prototype to LMG for review? Seriously, who does that? --- End quote --- A two guy startup with no deep pockets and which had a great opportunity to gain exposure. --- End quote --- This. LTT is the largest tech channel on YouTube. 15.5M subscribers. Their reach is enormous. Much larger tech companies than Billet Labs fall all over themselves to get that kind of exposure. So I'm sure they were hoping this would launch interest, attract investors, etc. The cavalier attitude towards testing it OUTSIDE OF ITS SPECIFICATIONS and then crapping on it when it didn't work is simply egregious. Then being told by his people, including his wife and his on-air co-host/CTO, that maybe they should retest it as designed, but him blowing it off and saying it's not worth the few hundred dollars in labor to retest it, just makes it even worse. Then finally, the cherry on top: auctioning it off. To reiterate, it's not the mistakes made that bother me. It's the response to them (mainly from Linus). |
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