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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #75 on: August 16, 2023, 04:38:12 pm »
$100M ? for what a youtube channel ? While youtube channels make money its not worth any where near $100M.
Sounds a lot at first sight, but I read the other day that the top TikToker is running at $250M per annum.
There is very little money at TikTok, top 7 TikTokers combined supposedly earn about $50M annually. And the money TikTok itself pays per view is like 2% of Youtube.
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #76 on: August 16, 2023, 05:35:43 pm »
Technically speaking, MKBHD's channel is larger in terms of subscribers, but less views because they don't chase the 7 videos a week target (just 6 in the last month). But anyhow, in terms of organization, video output and channels (LMG as whole), they are by far the biggest.

The way they treat errors is also my biggest problem.

I don't even think the other tech channels are perfect neither. GN also has a certain "trust me" vibe, but not in a deflective way, but more like "we [kinda] know what we talk about". I particularly cringed at GN's post-mortem of AMD's AM5 chips a few months ago (because too high VSOC was applied by some mainboards). Paid for expensive lab post-mortem... 20minutes of philosophy class.. skips basic electronics knowledge or treats it as rocket science (no mention or grasp of SCR latch-up). And then when the lab was asked what they thought: could be anything, here are a few dozen reasons.
But at least we got some cool pictures.
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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #77 on: August 16, 2023, 05:44:43 pm »
no mention or grasp of SCR latch-up
And why should it be mentioned when there is no any evidence of it being related to the issue?
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #78 on: August 16, 2023, 06:28:03 pm »
You're right, GN Steve isn't perfect. I too rolled my eyes a bit at some of their "electronics theory" and felt the degree of criticism towards Asus was exaggerated and unfounded. Like when they really stretched the truth saying that Asus claimed updating BIOS fixed the voltage issues, but also voided warranty, thereby leaving users in a catch-22 situation. No mobo company has EVER claimed that updating BIOS voids their warranty. GN/Steve walked back the criticism after Asus carefully spelled out that warranties would not be voided.

But again, I expect mistakes. Just own them and correct them. Don't patronize or insult the intelligence of your viewers, and disrespect small businesses that were looking to you for a fair test, if not endorsement.
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #79 on: August 16, 2023, 06:32:00 pm »
aren't we all humans ??

 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #80 on: August 16, 2023, 07:20:34 pm »
no mention or grasp of SCR latch-up
And why should it be mentioned when there is no any evidence of it being related to the issue?

Because it shows all the symptoms of one. Overvolting a voltage rail, then seeing it draw tons of current regardless of operational state, then see the chip go burn itself up in a thermal runaway.
Documentation of the runaway is clear but won't reveal anything. That's why their lab gave a listen of a few dozen reasons. The actual value in the post mortem is a bit exaggerated IMO, as a simple latch-up would be a prime suspect. But the comments section is full of praise of "next level testing" and "raising the bar". C'mon. It's cool to see the pictures, but I still don't know why the chip failed.

aren't we all humans ??
Yes.

But that's not how social media works I think
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #81 on: August 16, 2023, 07:22:25 pm »
Like when they really stretched the truth saying that Asus claimed updating BIOS fixed the voltage issues, but also voided warranty, thereby leaving users in a catch-22 situation. No mobo company has EVER claimed that updating BIOS voids their warranty. GN/Steve walked back the criticism after Asus carefully spelled out that warranties would not be voided.
Asus released it as beta bios. And it came with terms are that using it can void the warranty. I somewhat rolled my eyes too because in practice it won't be very likely that they will actually void the warranty if motherboard fails, however GN was correct at least technically.
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #82 on: August 16, 2023, 07:32:21 pm »
no mention or grasp of SCR latch-up
And why should it be mentioned when there is no any evidence of it being related to the issue?

Because it shows all the symptoms of one. Overvolting a voltage rail, then seeing it draw tons of current regardless of operational state, then see the chip go burn itself up in a thermal runaway.
Documentation of the runaway is clear but won't reveal anything. That's why their lab gave a listen of a few dozen reasons. The actual value in the post mortem is a bit exaggerated IMO, as a simple latch-up would be a prime suspect. But the comments section is full of praise of "next level testing" and "raising the bar". C'mon. It's cool to see the pictures, but I still don't know why the chip failed.
SCR latch-up does not happen because you run the chip at voltage somewhat higher than normal. It generally happens with large transients on I/O, like ESD discharge. Not due to running the chip at 0.15V higher than its safe maximum or exceeding its thermal limits as was with faulty BIOSes. You cannot fix an SCR latch-up susceptibility by applying a BIOS update.
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #83 on: August 16, 2023, 08:26:18 pm »
SCR latch-up does not happen because you run the chip at voltage somewhat higher than normal. It generally happens with large transients on I/O, like ESD discharge. Not due to running the chip at 0.15V higher than its safe maximum or exceeding its thermal limits as was with faulty BIOSes. You cannot fix an SCR latch-up susceptibility by applying a BIOS update.
That's a rather old school view of SCR latchup. On modern devices with multiple voltage rails you can find some fairly complex pin protection circuitry that may be possible to get into a latched up state if various voltage levels sequence in an unfortunate manner. I'm not saying that is what happened here, but its an ongoing design topic for making things like fine geometry MCUs as robust as possible.
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #84 on: August 16, 2023, 08:50:09 pm »
Asus released it as beta bios. And it came with terms are that using it can void the warranty. I somewhat rolled my eyes too because in practice it won't be very likely that they will actually void the warranty if motherboard fails, however GN was correct at least technically.

Steve was correct for questioning it and seeking clarification from Asus, but the whole pearl-clutching way it was played for dramatic effect was over the top. Asus released the BIOS as an emergency response to the overvoltage issue, which was killing brand new boards+CPUs costing $1000+. The warranty voiding verbiage was likely either some overlooked boilerplate or dropped in by an overzealous product manager already gunshy over possible legal liabilities from this issue. But it makes little sense to believe they'd void the warranty for an emergency fix to prevent a destructive fault that would have resulted in a warranty repair. Knowing what the problem was, they had to know they'd be opening themselves up to class action litigation, especially in the US, if they played such games. And I say that as someone who's had issues with Asus over the years.
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #85 on: August 16, 2023, 11:05:30 pm »
SCR latch-up does not happen because you run the chip at voltage somewhat higher than normal. It generally happens with large transients on I/O, like ESD discharge. Not due to running the chip at 0.15V higher than its safe maximum or exceeding its thermal limits as was with faulty BIOSes. You cannot fix an SCR latch-up susceptibility by applying a BIOS update.

A transient such as ESD is certainly not the only cause. Try to blow up a chip just from applying some power onto a chip with ill defined LV inputs :-/O CMOS chips specify all inputs to be e.g. VCC+0.3V max. If VCC=0V, then keep everything below 300mV. I did with a FT4232H some time ago.
Modern multi-rail chips that operate near 1V still demand 3-5% tolerance, including ripple. Max may be only a few hundred mV over. 150mV is 12% of Vsoc nominal, which is a mile length. Give some latch-up path a small push, and it will be self-sufficient till something fails. I don't expect you need 700mV of an ancient 1N4148.. could be way less.

I agree you cannot fix a susceptibility of the silicon, but you can fix the issue by enforcing a more strict SOA in e.g. BIOS or VRM firmware. That's what AMD did and their quick fix was a hard voltage cap, but I suspect there was also some sequencing timing/ramp up violation somewhere that was compounded by the high DC voltage. I also cannot say for sure what happened, but the failure mode of the CPU consuming an enormous amount of power while being "off" and then burning itself up in a runaway situation does exhibit a lot of the symptoms of a latch-up.

Anyhow, this is quite off-topic so I will leave it at that.
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #86 on: August 16, 2023, 11:32:31 pm »
I also cannot say for sure what happened, but the failure mode of the CPU consuming an enormous amount of power while being "off" and then burning itself up in a runaway situation does exhibit a lot of the symptoms of a latch-up.
If you're talking about the GN video, they fried it by running at high SOC voltage for a prolonged time. What you're talking about was not while being off, it was motherboard partially shutting down once failure happened but still applying SOC power to already dead CPU. And that's not a latch-up situation, it's already fried silicon. By such definition of a latch-up, any failure with a shorted die would qualify as such. That runaway with socket pins frying was not due to CPU though but due to motherboard still pushing power into a shorted CPU even though reasonably it should trip OCP protection.
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #87 on: August 17, 2023, 01:34:52 am »
All the Youtubers are piling on now. Never miss a chance for views.

And the ex social media manager has come out again with a massive rant....
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #88 on: August 17, 2023, 05:12:45 am »
There is very little money at TikTok, top 7 TikTokers combined supposedly earn about $50M annually. And the money TikTok itself pays per view is like 2% of Youtube.

That's because the views aren't real. Shh, don't tell anyone, you aren't supposed to know.
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #89 on: August 17, 2023, 05:18:18 am »
And the ex social media manager has come out again with a massive rant....

For those playing along at home:
https://twitter.com/suuuoppp/status/1691693740254228741?s=20
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #90 on: August 17, 2023, 05:29:46 am »
There has to be two sides to this story. If true (particularly the harrassment etc) then that's terrible.

The original video that kicked off the whole hiring of her was quite the trainwreck.
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #91 on: August 17, 2023, 07:20:00 am »
There has to be two sides to this story. If true (particularly the harrassment etc) then that's terrible.
The original video that kicked off the whole hiring of her was quite the trainwreck.

Link?
No idea who she is, I don't follow LLT that closely. But yeah, always take claims with a grain of salt.
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #92 on: August 17, 2023, 08:12:45 am »
Link?
No idea who she is, I don't follow LLT that closely. But yeah, always take claims with a grain of salt.


The title of the video applies to watching it as well.

I don't really know how they went from that to hiring her. I pretty sure the hiring came after the video. She won some competition I think which resulted in the video. Then they hired her.

 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #93 on: August 17, 2023, 08:37:21 am »
She was really good on camera and the audience loved her.
The response was lots of people saying "when your going to hire her" etc..
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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #94 on: August 17, 2023, 09:01:30 am »
She was incredibly annoying from my memory. I may be wrong but it has some how stuck in my mind.
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #95 on: August 17, 2023, 11:03:05 am »
I get the impression that LTT is a very "blokey" high pressure nerd environment (no surprise?), and she seems to be completely incompatible with that environment?
Perhaps there was some resentment by the other nerdy employees that she was hired without the required nerd skills?
Are there any other presenters that don't have the nerd chops? Maybe that's why she was quickly shunted from that to handling the social media account?
Not excusing any of the serious sexual harassment claims of course, but apart from that it seems like a non-compatibility thing I've seen countless times.
 
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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #96 on: August 17, 2023, 11:23:22 am »
They halted videos:

 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #97 on: August 17, 2023, 11:24:28 am »
There is very little money at TikTok, top 7 TikTokers combined supposedly earn about $50M annually. And the money TikTok itself pays per view is like 2% of Youtube.

That's because the views aren't real. Shh, don't tell anyone, you aren't supposed to know.
Dunno how much of them are fake but TikTok is certainly not favored by advertisers. Anecdotally my wife watches that garbage like half of her free time.
 

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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #98 on: August 17, 2023, 11:55:01 am »
0.02$

LTT made mistakes and there's nothing wrong with calling them out. But I'm not sure if, from all the possible ways to highlight this, this was the best.

GN also has a tendency to set high bars for themselves and everybody else and seem to be willing to burn everything below that bar to the ground. Per example: they burn LTT for not reshooting sections of a video when the host makes an error or misspeaks. Is overlaying a not as good as reshooting? Obviously not. But should Linus lick Steves boot to appologise? Erh, no. Same with the Asus thing. Was the warranty disclaimer saga good? No. Did they plan to shaft everyone that used the bios and bricked their PC? Probably not. I also remember the burning PSU thing. As per usual, they had a point but their definition of how a PSU should or should not behave were extremely strict.

Finally, regarding the non-monetization of their video I'm gonna leave this here...

 
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Re: Linus Sebastion Turned Down $100M Offer
« Reply #99 on: August 17, 2023, 12:21:33 pm »
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they burn LTT for not reshooting sections of a video when the host makes an error or misspeaks. Is overlaying a not as good as reshooting?

Doesn't this depend solely on production values? If you are aiming for Hollywood movie slickness then reshoot as a matter of course, but overlays should be fine and even add value (because you see how it really is as well as how it's meant to be).

Of course, too much of that is tedious and hard to follow, but still massively better than 95% of Youtube videos churned out be amateurs who think they are something.
 


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