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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2022, 05:43:25 am »
True, we all make mistakes. Some more then others though.

You should try harder on refraining from starting these nonsense threads so there is no need for the ones with more abilities to tell you it is getting annoying. Find yourself another hobby then posting here on this forum.

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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2022, 05:55:18 am »
True, we all make mistakes. Some more then others though.

You should try harder on refraining from starting these nonsense threads so there is no need for the ones with more abilities to tell you it is getting annoying. Find yourself another hobby then posting here on this forum.

Okay judge. What's my sentence?

Failing or not is not competitive, there's no "tally", and if one takes a tally, to what end? One making more mistakes than another doesn't make the other "better".

I pay little attention, if any, to those (least of all strangers) starting sentences with "You should..." - my mind switches off. Wrong approach.

Take the plank from your own eye before removing the splinter from the eye of your brother. A Biblical principal, and they never fail.

Let's drop this, unless you simply like "having the last word". Nothing good can come of this. Drop it. Thanks.
 

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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2022, 06:07:28 am »
Oh yes you are the biblical man. The one talking about hypocrisy and not seeing his own.

I should have known better. It is not possible to have a rational discussion with a man of god.

But you are right it is best to leave it as is. You will be the first entry on my ignore user list.

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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2022, 06:40:57 am »
Oh yes you are the biblical man. The one talking about hypocrisy and not seeing his own.

I should have known better. It is not possible to have a rational discussion with a man of god.

But you are right it is best to leave it as is. You will be the first entry on my ignore user list.
. Denying GOD denies rationality itself, since you cannot have order, logic and reasoning without the author of them, who is GOD. You’ll go around in circles trying to refute that. Don’t waste any energy on it, just place me on ignore and don’t waste more of our mutual time. Walk away.
 

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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2022, 07:52:23 am »
 :-DD

Yyyeah, all those things exist just fine without a sky fairy to explain them.
 
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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2022, 08:00:11 am »
I post because I want to post, and I’m sure that I make my fair share of mistakes. However, I expect the intelligence and maturity of those reading, will afford them to see the wisdom in not taking to heart what some random stranger writes - this should be the case EVEN MORE so if the post isn’t directly and explicitly addressed to the person taking the offence (that wasn’t given in the first place).

I have strong views. Sorry you don’t agree with me. You’re clearly unaware that despite my being negative or moaning a fair bit (which I’m not gonna deny), maybe you’ve yet to meet the SERIOUSLY vile, nasty and disturbed regulars I see here, and whom have a truly cold and vindictive manner of response. I’m not one of those, but nonetheless, if you disagree with my approach WALK ON BY. You’re not held against your will, tied to a chair at gunpoint.
The problem with rants is that the author isn’t usually seeking a resolution. So any subsequent discussion just annoys them because there isn’t an outcome as such. But it also annoys everyone else because even well reasoned arguments just fall on the deaf ears of “LA LA LA LET ME HATE THIS!”, with no real progress or learning.

As for others here: there are indeed a number of quite nasty people on here who hide behind the “we’re rational engineers” nonsense. But that doesn’t make your rants any less annoying.

P.S. I’m not a LTT fan (as in I don’t care either way), and so I initially dismissed the LTT screwdriver as just rebranded standard fare. But after watching the making-of video and the other review video above, I changed my mind. It’s a specialized tool optimized for PC repair, with lots of thought and care gone into the optimizations.
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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #31 on: October 20, 2022, 08:23:13 am »
Gosh this place is full of self-righteous busybodies. Go about your business and forget “correcting” people, lest someone come along and do the same to you one fine day.
 

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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2022, 08:25:40 am »
But that doesn’t make your rants any less annoying.

I don't mind rants as long as there is some foundation beneath it.

What I hate is not owning up to being corrected when it is justified. Calling someone else a hypocrite and not willing to see that you are being just as hypocritical bugs me. Another thing is flaunting with other peoples feathers, like can be seen in his other thread started today about how good the British power plug is, as if he invented it.

Is a bit like people watching football, rooting for their team, and when their team win saying WE won the match.

But as seen before you can't argue with ignorant people.

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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2022, 08:26:57 am »
I post because I want to post, and I’m sure that I make my fair share of mistakes. However, I expect the intelligence and maturity of those reading, will afford them to see the wisdom in not taking to heart what some random stranger writes - this should be the case EVEN MORE so if the post isn’t directly and explicitly addressed to the person taking the offence (that wasn’t given in the first place).

I have strong views. Sorry you don’t agree with me. You’re clearly unaware that despite my being negative or moaning a fair bit (which I’m not gonna deny), maybe you’ve yet to meet the SERIOUSLY vile, nasty and disturbed regulars I see here, and whom have a truly cold and vindictive manner of response. I’m not one of those, but nonetheless, if you disagree with my approach WALK ON BY. You’re not held against your will, tied to a chair at gunpoint.
The problem with rants is that the author isn’t usually seeking a resolution. So any subsequent discussion just annoys them because there isn’t an outcome as such. But it also annoys everyone else because even well reasoned arguments just fall on the deaf ears of “LA LA LA LET ME HATE THIS!”, with no real progress or learning.

As for others here: there are indeed a number of quite nasty people on here who hide behind the “we’re rational engineers” nonsense. But that doesn’t make your rants any less annoying.

P.S. I’m not a LTT fan (as in I don’t care either way), and so I initially dismissed the LTT screwdriver as just rebranded standard fare. But after watching the making-of video and the other review video above, I changed my mind. It’s a specialized tool optimized for PC repair, with lots of thought and care gone into the optimizations.


Ehhhhhh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2022, 08:30:57 am »
:-DD

Yyyeah, all those things exist just fine without a sky fairy to explain them.

“Sky fairy”? Gosh, tres originale.
 

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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #35 on: October 20, 2022, 08:43:38 am »
But that doesn’t make your rants any less annoying.

I don't mind rants as long as there is some foundation beneath it.

What I hate is not owning up to being corrected when it is justified. Calling someone else a hypocrite and not willing to see that you are being just as hypocritical bugs me. Another thing is flaunting with other peoples feathers, like can be seen in his other thread started today about how good the British power plug is, as if he invented it.

Is a bit like people watching football, rooting for their team, and when their team win saying WE won the match.

But as seen before you can't argue with ignorant people.
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Know what I hate? Not much. But I hate hypocrisy. We are all hypocrites and you’ve demonstrated that. I rant and get annoyed but I’m not denying it. What the #### it has to do with you? Well.. not all that much, as all humans are hypocrites and no amount of talking will change it.

A man owns up to being a schmuck. Yep I’ve been a schmuck, but since it wasn’t AIMED at anyone I don’t feel a need to say “sorry”. I’ll say that I’m sorry everyone felt the “need” to interfere and waste their time on me.

Wanna know something? You’re all far more interested in me, than I in you. If you lot ranted and raved, I can’t imagine for a second I’d lose any keyboard strokes or mental energy getting myself involved in it. I’d just “¯\_(ツ)_/¯”, think to myself “what a moron” and silently go about my day.

If I spent 1/100th the time and effort on random strangers all worked up, as you do over my subject matter, I’d not have a life. See how often I’m on here? Not much. I have an ACTUAL LIFE.


 

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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #36 on: October 20, 2022, 08:58:12 am »

Wanna know something? You’re all far more interested in me, than I in you. If you lot ranted and raved, I can’t imagine for a second I’d lose any keyboard strokes or mental energy getting myself involved in it. I’d just “¯\_(ツ)_/¯”, think to myself “what a moron” and silently go about my day.


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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #37 on: October 20, 2022, 09:04:41 am »
So, back to the screwdriver, anyone here have tested it?

I have the PB Swiss and the WERA and like both of them a lot.
But who knows maybe this LTT screwdriver is very good.
You never know until you test it.
 
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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2022, 09:06:34 am »

Wanna know something? You’re all far more interested in me, than I in you. If you lot ranted and raved, I can’t imagine for a second I’d lose any keyboard strokes or mental energy getting myself involved in it. I’d just “¯\_(ツ)_/¯”, think to myself “what a moron” and silently go about my day.


You're only interested in you. We get it.

You REALLY don’t get it. You’re close, but I’m not the selfish person you paint me as. Then again, as I’ve said many times, you’re all strangers so couldn’t know me in a million lifetimes. Have a great day. 
 

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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2022, 09:30:32 am »
You never know until you test it.

Correct, but at ~70 bucks I'm not going to test it. Got plenty of screwdrivers around to do the jobs that need be done.

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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #40 on: October 20, 2022, 10:16:06 am »
You never know until you test it.

Correct, but at ~70 bucks I'm not going to test it. Got plenty of screwdrivers around to do the jobs that need be done.

Plus there is already a thread about this screwdriver - https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/ltt-screwdriver-rewiev/

I'm more in the Wera field. I've been in situations that a common bit screwdriver is to short for the job in question. Their Kraftform Kompakt 62/33 (that already comes with a normal handle) and the 816 RA handle (bought in separate) make for me a better alternative, for not a lot more money than the LTT screwdriver.

And, going by how the one from Wera they tested performed, I would not be surprised if this handle would not be the same but without the storage and extension.
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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #41 on: October 20, 2022, 11:21:40 am »
You never know until you test it.

Correct, but at ~70 bucks I'm not going to test it. Got plenty of screwdrivers around to do the jobs that need be done.
I think I paid much more for the PB-Swiss, which is a really good one.
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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #42 on: October 20, 2022, 11:28:22 am »
Replying to the overall discussion..
I take problem with calling us "peer pressure" and "pack behaviour" , but that in itself is already exchanging feelings for facts which may not be true.
No not a "personal problem", but just in a critical view:  could it be a case of a bunch of people agreeing with this, on their own individual morale and insight? In my opinion it's gaslighting to make such harsh judgements on people like this.

We're all human, which by definition, we're at times subject to over a hundred different cognitive bias'. People regularly perform mentalization to make more rational decisions on how the interactions with our self and other humans are going. However this is not a process that can have a 24/7 uptime. When we get mad, we may break things or say mean things to even our loved ones. If we're sad, most of us may have a instinctive desire to isolate, while others may seek attention. If we're happy, we may be overly optimistic and enthusiastic which skews our judgements. If we're tired, then we put off people more quickly than they are used to. Everything is a gliding slope. But in general, we try to understand why someone is reacting in a certain way. Or we don't.. and then life becomes tough and hard.

In terms of "mind-reading" it is indeed very difficult to do this over a digital communication medium. Several people can read the same words in a million different ways. But such confusion can also happen in real-life, but we've got a few more clues to work with. Or we  can ask someone 1-on-1 about why they said something in the way they did. Good people you want to keep around are available to such discussions and are willing to understand both sides of the story, I think.

The clues I was extrapolating was from previous posts. I made 1 comment about it and then went to contextual reply of the screwdriver. I agreed on half of your points.. it's a perfect way to get more branded products into the hands of people. But it's maybe not a bad product according to some reviews. And it also helps them (LTT) out a bit to expand. Coming back to my points about 'jealously': I question if there is an underlying tone on feelings of gratitude and 'deservation' for them. I think this was also conveyed in other threads. And I strongly don't agree with that. This is why I made such a strong statement.

Yes it's hyped up. Yes it's from a social media company. Yes those guys seems like they have to learn everything on the job. But I don't think it's useful to dismiss their efforts straight away.

Let me make similarly bold statement: look at the EEVblog DMMs. Aren't those also rebranded OEM meters with a few custom plastics/prints, a slightly altered (reduced?) feature set because of OEM monopolies, and that's it? How does that justify the mark-up? At least LTT did extensive in-house product design and engineering, even if it's based on an entry-level screwdriver that's now a bit polished and hyped up to end up in the mid-range pricing tier.
However, I bet Dave also made trial calculations for designing his own equipment, but came to the conclusion it's not economically viable for a DMM. We've all heard the stories about how expensive this is for the portable PSU (which is a niche unique product) and the level of standards that Dave tries to achieve. I think a rebranded DMM is a very good alternative to: 1) Sell supporters of the channel something useful that they can use on a daily basis. 2) It's a step beyond "merch" which sounds more like 'fan material' 3) Have a sophisticated enough product that can uphold a decent mark-up, e.g. it's not a random commodity item that people can find a ton of alternatives for with the same price, features, and local in-stock.

I cannot be sure of the intent of anyone in this thread, but I think "feeling corrected" is not my intent. It's also not the intent of this post.
The word forgiveness comes to mind as well, as life is too short to drink bad wine, but I can't make the link to this discussion straight away. :) Anyhow, I will leave it this.

Oh yes you are the biblical man. The one talking about hypocrisy and not seeing his own.

I should have known better. It is not possible to have a rational discussion with a man of god.

But you are right it is best to leave it as is. You will be the first entry on my ignore user list.

I beg to differ. A colleague of mine is very religious but also one of the best listeners, non-judgemental and rational person I've come across. For sure he seeks his comfort and peace in his religion, while I'm open to hear his story and likewise stay away from judgements. I suppose it's not a common ground we share for our contacts outside work. We can share opinions and have good discussions.
But nothing is black/white.
 
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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #43 on: October 20, 2022, 12:10:42 pm »
Meanwhile back on topic...

Linus (and his friend Charlie Brown) is a portal for plugging stuff. Stuff we need, stuff we didn't known we needed and stuff we thought we needed, but never got round to using because we didn't need it in the end.

Auto ratcheting screwdrivers have been around since... anyone?  I think the 1920s? My ratchet screwdriver for PC use came from the bargain bin at Aldi, in the 90s. I also have a ratchetting Yankee Screwdriver, for those tight screw heads that would otherwise burn out the battery impact driver. I digress. There's lots of tools that can make you a real 'engineer' in the eyes of your peers. It just depends who your peers are.

Anyway, feel free to rant over [the implicit sexism in] these accessories I'm not plugging that you will absolutelyneed to go with your $70 ratchet screwdriver.
 

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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #44 on: October 20, 2022, 04:15:12 pm »
Just don't watch the channel like I do, I find most of his videos pointless but the guy has to make a living just like all of the TV channels I choose not to watch.
 
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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #45 on: October 20, 2022, 04:43:12 pm »
Just don't watch the channel like I do, I find most of his videos pointless but the guy has to make a living just like all of the TV channels I choose not to watch.

Before he moved to the new warehouse his videos were good and educational. After he moved it turn into what we have now...

Now he's trying to go back to the old times by following the Gamers Nexus route, investing in equipment and personal with expertise to start to review scientifically stuff.

One thing he had was if you had an idea of how something would work if you tried, like watercooling a cinema camera for example.

The kind of stuff that you may thought it could be possible but didn't had the manufacturing (and the guts to have the chance of damaging a expensive piece of equipment). That kind of stuff kinda is entertaining.

For reviews, there are a lot better channels for it. Plus we are starting to reach a point that for most use cases hardware with 2 years is more than enough for most applications.

I for example use an Asus Zenbook UX303UA with a i7-6500U for most applications (photo editing, Solidworks and normal computing) and it is good enough.

Although I would in the future build a new machine but the route I would follow would be or a Ryzen 3000 or the last release of the Intel HEDT platform, X299 via any used workstation from HP or Dell or old used hardware.

Good enough for what I need while saving money for other more important stuff.

Some years ago I wanted to have "the best of the best, with honors Sir..."

Nowardays almost in my 40s my mentality is that the newest not always is the best for what I need.
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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #46 on: October 20, 2022, 04:50:56 pm »
So, back to the screwdriver, anyone here have tested it?

I have the PB Swiss and the WERA and like both of them a lot.
But who knows maybe this LTT screwdriver is very good.
You never know until you test it.
Project Farm did a comprehensive test (which included the LTT, the original the LTT is based on, and PB Swiss, among many) and gave the LTT a quite favorable review, other than the price.

In particular, his review confirms my own impression of the PB Swiss (which I own): it has extraordinarily little slop/play, but has very high back-drag. The high back-drag makes it useless for the small machine screws that make up the bulk of screw driving I (and typical PC technicians) do.

The LTT focused on optimizing it for PC servicing, so it has extremely low back-drag.

FWIW, hands-down my favorite (non-ratcheting) bit holders are the iFixit ones. They’re solid aluminum, with ball-bearing rotating end caps — normally found only on small precision drivers, but iFixit puts them even on the large driver. Its sheer mass and the rotating cap make it easy to spin small screws with minimal effort. The iFixit bits are a different matter. While it’s cool that they have every security bit under the sun, the quality of the bits is very average. They’re not hardened, and they’re not precise. Not as bad as some aliexpress tools, but certainly closer to those than to PB Swiss.

PB Swiss are hands down the best bits I’ve ever seen. The second best (Wiha, Wera, etc) look sloppy by comparison, and they’re objectively excellent!
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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #47 on: October 20, 2022, 04:52:27 pm »
I think it is the original posters way of hiding his own incompetence behind bashing on others who are successful.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have not seen any posts of him that actually bring any skill to the table. Often a lot of chest pounding but not a lot of content.
He writes hilarious rants which not only are funny to read but also reliably trigger a whole bunch of "rationalists" to write equally hilarious responses and the fun just keeps going on...

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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #48 on: October 20, 2022, 04:56:09 pm »
You never know until you test it.

Correct, but at ~70 bucks I'm not going to test it. Got plenty of screwdrivers around to do the jobs that need be done.
I think I paid much more for the PB-Swiss, which is a really good one.
The PB Swiss ratcheting handle alone is around €60. The sets with large bit assortments cost significantly more.
 

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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #49 on: October 23, 2022, 02:39:58 pm »
For only a few bucks more you can have:

https://shop.snapon.com/product/Standard-Handle/8-3-4%22-Ratcheting-Standard-Screwdriver-(Black)/SSDMR4B

Snap-on hard handle ratcheting screwdriver is the way to go. I have six of them, different lengths and different colours; for different application.

They are my go-to screwdrivers.

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