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Title: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: eti on October 19, 2022, 07:15:02 am
Have you seen or heard all the hoo-haa surrounding this ridiculous Linus Tech Tips screwdriver? As usual, the poser "makers" engineers that all line their toys up on pegboard, neatly arranged like a stage set, seem to be getting all excited over it... A SCREWDRIVER. It's not even one of those utterly pointless mini electric screwdrivers, it's a basic ratcheting one selling for $69.99 (I think).

If it wasn't for Mr Sebastian, there wouldn't be so much noise about a screwdriver. A. SCREWDRIVER.

The world has lost the plot. It's not a ratcheting screwdriver that makes you an engineer, it's having done engineering for years because you love it, and have barely once paid more than a passing thought to a metal shaft that turns a screw, the unscrewing of which is a means to an end. I'm not annoyed that the screwdriver exists, I'm just dumbfounded by the hype train they're all boarding 🤣🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: hans on October 19, 2022, 07:27:02 am
Please don't tell me this is jealously again..

Anyhow, yes it's only a screwdriver. But they did base their design of megapro's and refined it. It also got some pretty good reviews, so it must mean they have done something well. Especially for a product where the branding and LTT-support incentive seems to be put on a pedestal combined with the free sponsor spots they have in virtually all PC episodes of LTT.

70$ is quite a steep price though. It's not something I'd pay for a screwdriver, but that's similar to how I wouldn't pay 700$ for a JBC iron, or 3000$ for a 4-ch reprogrammable PSU from R&S. Those are very nice pieces of kit, and if you can spot the value-adding propositions, then it's definitely worth it. But it's way more than I need. I use my pincets and small solder wire far more frequently and intensely than screwdrivers, so with that logic, I should go and buy a 70$ pincet right now.

edit: Pincet=tweezers, for some reason I always think it's a perfectly fine english word.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: wraper on October 19, 2022, 07:28:38 am
Can you just stop being constantly annoyed about what happens on internet? BTW Project Farm tested it, and it's actually one of the best ratcheting screwdrivers.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: eti on October 19, 2022, 07:34:02 am
Can you just stop being constantly annoyed about what happens on internet? BTW Project Farm tested it, and it's actually one of the best ratcheting screwdrivers.

I don't think you could know if I'm annoyed (about a screwdriver? Annoyed? Lol). You don't have the luxury of mind-reading, and since I'm a stranger and all you have to go on is a very superficial level of perception, and you've extrapolated the rest (as has the entire populus of those who berate members for having strong views, with which they don't agree)

... Oh well, I'll let you think I'm "annoyed" then. Okay.

Pack behaviour and peer pressure is hilarious in eevblog forums. So many attacking others for the very things they are blind to (often to a far worse degree!) in themselves.

Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: Ed.Kloonk on October 19, 2022, 07:48:22 am
Why don't you take this issue up with Mr Sebastian?
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: Someone on October 19, 2022, 07:57:42 am
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/ltt-screwdriver-rewiev/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/ltt-screwdriver-rewiev/)
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: deadlylover on October 19, 2022, 08:14:07 am
It looks like a nice screwdriver, what's the issue? I mean keep in mind the target audience is PC enthusiasts so you'll have to cut them some slack.

I'd try one if I wasn't neck deep in Wiha/Vessel screwdrivers already, and If I need ratcheting action I already have some Nepros ratchet handles.

Are you looking down on the humble screwdriver mate, you can be one stripped screw away from turning a 15 minute job into a weekend ordeal.  :P
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: tom66 on October 19, 2022, 08:40:40 am
It looks like a nice screwdriver, is it worth $70, probably not unless you're taking things apart all day, but if you are it might be a good tool for the job.  What's the issue?
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: pcprogrammer on October 19, 2022, 08:48:41 am
I think it is the original posters way of hiding his own incompetence behind bashing on others who are successful.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have not seen any posts of him that actually bring any skill to the table. Often a lot of chest pounding but not a lot of content.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: nctnico on October 19, 2022, 09:31:13 am
Maybe I'm missing something but for that kind of money I'd get myself an electric screwdriver. Seems like a much better investment where it comes to dealing with fastening / losening lots of screws.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: Ranayna on October 19, 2022, 10:27:34 am
I have to admit i never used one of these electric "pen" screwdrivers like that Wiha Dave used in some of his Videos.
From what i have seen though, they often lack torque, so can't undo screws that are very tight. They also seem to be slow, but that is likely depending on the model.
If i only have to work with a couple of screws i just use a normal screwdriver. If i have to deal with a lot of screws, i use my Makita with the proper bitset. I never had an issue with to little torque with that :D Maybe sometimes too much torque though :p
That is unwieldy though and cannot reach deeply recessed screws.

But a ratcheting screwdriver, provided it can reach deeply recessed screws, sounds nice. On pictures (i have not seen videos), the shaft of the LTT screwdriver looks too thick for may recessed screws though. So i personally would not be able to really use it well enough to justify the price.

Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: Berni on October 19, 2022, 10:36:08 am
What's wrong with the LTT Screwdriver?

It is a good ratcheting screwdriver that is also sold as LTT branded merch, so it helps support them.

Do i want one? Nah, but i can see why others would.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: PlainName on October 19, 2022, 12:38:30 pm
Maybe I'm missing something but for that kind of money I'd get myself an electric screwdriver. Seems like a much better investment where it comes to dealing with fastening / losening lots of screws.

Yes, I would too. Oh, wait, I have :)

I looked at this one and was interested in what makes it better than the others. The slick ratcheting mechanism, with very low drag, is really the killer USP for me because I find that drag means I just set all my ratcheting ones to locked mode. Being able to use the ratchet at other times then when the screw is fully home sounds great. I would have got one, just for that, if it were cheaper.

But... my thing is electric screwdrivers now. I don't know if having a decent ratchet might change my mind, but the back and forth movement achieving not a lot certainly doesn't encourage me and just aggravates any wrist issues. Electric isn't perfect but it has to be a really dicky screw to have me resort to a manual, now.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: tooki on October 19, 2022, 07:45:27 pm
Can you just stop being constantly annoyed about what happens on internet? BTW Project Farm tested it, and it's actually one of the best ratcheting screwdrivers.

I don't think you could know if I'm annoyed (about a screwdriver? Annoyed? Lol). You don't have the luxury of mind-reading, and since I'm a stranger and all you have to go on is a very superficial level of perception, and you've extrapolated the rest (as has the entire populus of those who berate members for having strong views, with which they don't agree)

... Oh well, I'll let you think I'm "annoyed" then. Okay.

Pack behaviour and peer pressure is hilarious in eevblog forums. So many attacking others for the very things they are blind to (often to a far worse degree!) in themselves.
I can’t tell whether you’re just trying to gaslight everyone by claiming you’re not annoyed, or whether you’re actually unhinged enough to not recognize that you’re annoyed, and actually believe you’re not.

Yes, you’re annoyed. The fact that you took time to write a nastygram about the damned thing makes it clear. Your choice of words make it clear.

Everyone is tired of your stupid threads to complain about stuff. And you were warned to stop doing so less than 2 weeks ago (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/unnecessary-look-at-me-tv-show-titles/msg4451032/#msg4451032).
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: mikerj on October 19, 2022, 07:54:23 pm
I actually agree, it's massively overhyped.  They've made some useful improvements to a pretty cheap and nasty screwdriver design, but it's still pretty cheaply made if you watch the teardowns and the price is grossly overinflated.  It's selling because of who he is not because of what the screwdriver is, and that's fine, it's what marketing does.  Just don't think that you are buying a high end tool.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: PlainName on October 19, 2022, 08:03:09 pm
undoubtedly there is a brand markup, and the video does show that it's pretty simple and (presumably) cheap to make. But that ignores all the development work and hassle of just getting to the point of manufacture (second one, apparently). None of that comes for free and has to be paid out of sales. They will shift a fair number just from LTT viewership, but they're not in the class of, say, Draper who must sell literally millions of this kind of thing to the entire world, not just youtube nerds.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: bdunham7 on October 19, 2022, 08:12:24 pm
For only a few bucks more you can have:

https://shop.snapon.com/product/Standard-Handle/8-3-4%22-Ratcheting-Standard-Screwdriver-(Black)/SSDMR4B

Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: PlainName on October 19, 2022, 08:49:42 pm
Quote
snapon

I'm a sucker for nice tools, but even so there are limits :)
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: SmallCog on October 19, 2022, 10:04:49 pm
For only a few bucks more you can have:

https://shop.snapon.com/product/Standard-Handle/8-3-4%22-Ratcheting-Standard-Screwdriver-(Black)/SSDMR4B (https://shop.snapon.com/product/Standard-Handle/8-3-4%22-Ratcheting-Standard-Screwdriver-(Black)/SSDMR4B)

I've never seen any of this Linus guys videos, but I did see this one where they were put head to head against each other as well as a bunch of other brands

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=845HUaWYSQA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=845HUaWYSQA)

I've never felt the need to own a ratcheting screw driver though...
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: Jackster on October 19, 2022, 10:23:31 pm
They took a reasonably cheap design, improved on it and are selling it for a markup. So what?
Why yall got to be hating?

They have added value to the screwdriver design and obviously, there is a certain amount of that is the branding. 
And the viewers of his channels also want to help support (financially) their videos and more products they have in development.

Don't forget, they also include some nice bits that are for what the drive is directed to, which is PC building.
Talking people with $2000+ gaming rigs.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: TheSteve on October 19, 2022, 10:43:59 pm
I hate all universal screwdrivers. I find them tolerable in an emergency kit only.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: AlfBaz on October 19, 2022, 11:09:18 pm
I am an electrician and use screw drivers for a living.
I couldn't think of anything more useless than a ratchet mechanism for a screwdriver.
Perhaps one of those push to turn types might be beneficial when having to address a lot of screws other than that those loose twist bits on the end of the handles of small jewellers screw drivers are on the verge of being useful
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: eti on October 20, 2022, 02:08:21 am
Can you just stop being constantly annoyed about what happens on internet? BTW Project Farm tested it, and it's actually one of the best ratcheting screwdrivers.

I don't think you could know if I'm annoyed (about a screwdriver? Annoyed? Lol). You don't have the luxury of mind-reading, and since I'm a stranger and all you have to go on is a very superficial level of perception, and you've extrapolated the rest (as has the entire populus of those who berate members for having strong views, with which they don't agree)

... Oh well, I'll let you think I'm "annoyed" then. Okay.

Pack behaviour and peer pressure is hilarious in eevblog forums. So many attacking others for the very things they are blind to (often to a far worse degree!) in themselves.
I can’t tell whether you’re just trying to gaslight everyone by claiming you’re not annoyed, or whether you’re actually unhinged enough to not recognize that you’re annoyed, and actually believe you’re not.

Yes, you’re annoyed. The fact that you took time to write a nastygram about the damned thing makes it clear. Your choice of words make it clear.

Everyone is tired of your stupid threads to complain about stuff. And you were warned to stop doing so less than 2 weeks ago (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/unnecessary-look-at-me-tv-show-titles/msg4451032/#msg4451032).

When did you major in psychology, or mind-reading? You’ve literally no idea what I’m thinking, how I feel, where I live or who I am.

If I may humbly offer a little advice which I’m pretty sure you’ll ignore, since you presume to know me and know my feelings (which is preposterously impossible). Nonetheless, here’s some advice, up to you what you do with it:

Don’t TAKE offence if it’s not being given to you.

Don’t wilfully allow random strangers online to wind you up and steal your peace.

I post because I want to post, and I’m sure that I make my fair share of mistakes. However, I expect the intelligence and maturity of those reading, will afford them to see the wisdom in not taking to heart what some random stranger writes - this should be the case EVEN MORE so if the post isn’t directly and explicitly addressed to the person taking the offence (that wasn’t given in the first place).

I have strong views. Sorry you don’t agree with me. You’re clearly unaware that despite my being negative or moaning a fair bit (which I’m not gonna deny), maybe you’ve yet to meet the SERIOUSLY vile, nasty and disturbed regulars I see here, and whom have a truly cold and vindictive manner of response. I’m not one of those, but nonetheless, if you disagree with my approach WALK ON BY. You’re not held against your will, tied to a chair at gunpoint.

I’ve had to force myself to stand back and laugh, whenever people “get offended” by such utter piffling trivia online, usually forums and Twitter, because you have to WANT to be angry, and that says more of the one taking offence than the one unintentionally showing “anger” as you so firmly believe of me.

I’ve nothing to prove to a stranger, and I’d maybe counsel you to not feel you have to justify yourself to anyone, so long as you’re also not being ghastly and deliberately rude or attacking someone personally.

As I’ve often seen parroted on this very forum “we are very opinionated engineers” and “grow a thick skin and put up with it” or variations thereof, yadda yadda.

Now, either that’s true, or it’s hypocritical as certain members pick and choose to whom that applies. In either case, I’m a stranger to you and I shouldn’t ruffle your feathers. You’re one to me, and with the utmost respect to you and to everyone else here, I respect your views and talents, but your opinions of me are meaningless, and my need to “justify” my views ain’t ever gonna happen - why would I, so long as I’m not being vile and cruel or plain nasty? I wouldn’t and won’t defend a passionate feeling for a subject. Don’t like it? Don’t have to read it, do you.

Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: pcprogrammer on October 20, 2022, 05:07:46 am
Don’t like it? Don’t have to read it, do you.

Even though I state this myself sometimes, even did in this thread, it is flawed in the sense that to know if you don't like it, you have to read it first.

But tooki is right in the sense that you have been asked by Dave to not do it anymore, and you said that you would double check before doing it again. https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/unnecessary-look-at-me-tv-show-titles/msg4451464/#msg4451464 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/unnecessary-look-at-me-tv-show-titles/msg4451464/#msg4451464)

I guess that double checking went out of the window fairly quick did it not? Since you started yet another one today.

If only you showed that you have actual skills on any of the subjects you judge on, it would not be so bad, but I don't see them. But when I pointed that out in a thread you started you ran to the moderators to have it removed on some technicality.

For the ones that missed that, it was the thread were he asked a very simple question about some arduino programming.

 https://www.eevblog.com/forum/programming/esp32-(arduino-on-platformio-serial-println-error)/msg4456372/#msg4456372 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/programming/esp32-(arduino-on-platformio-serial-println-error)/msg4456372/#msg4456372)

There I wrote that it was a simple question for a guy who claims to know it all and provided evidence as such by quoting from other threads, which seems to be frowned upon.

The claims he made in his posts below make you think that he is quite the programmer, but the question asked proofs different.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/programming/python-becomes-the-most-popular-language/msg4456414/#msg4456414 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/programming/python-becomes-the-most-popular-language/msg4456414/#msg4456414)
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/programming/the-next-generation-of-programmers/msg4456423/#msg4456423 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/programming/the-next-generation-of-programmers/msg4456423/#msg4456423)
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: eti on October 20, 2022, 05:26:40 am
Don't we all make mistakes? Find something more productive to do than place yourselves in the feigned roll of high court judge. We're all human, we all have flaws. Focus on doing YOUR best and I'll keep trying at mine. We all fail daily, and yet none is better or worse than the other. We are all fallible. There is no "upper limit" on making mistakes and doing silly things.

Placing oneself in a self-appointed role upon supposed "moral high ground" on a high horse, only means one thing: you're seen by more people when you're raised up and shouting dictates, and will fall harder and be scrutinized MORE when (and not if) you fall, and for the smallest of reasons, since you'll be held to a higher standard since it is a higher standard you demanded of others, and such we reap as we sow.

We're all human.

The best thing for each to do is keep in our own lane and try to make sure WE don't crash. 
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: pcprogrammer on October 20, 2022, 05:43:25 am
True, we all make mistakes. Some more then others though.

You should try harder on refraining from starting these nonsense threads so there is no need for the ones with more abilities to tell you it is getting annoying. Find yourself another hobby then posting here on this forum.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: eti on October 20, 2022, 05:55:18 am
True, we all make mistakes. Some more then others though.

You should try harder on refraining from starting these nonsense threads so there is no need for the ones with more abilities to tell you it is getting annoying. Find yourself another hobby then posting here on this forum.

Okay judge. What's my sentence?

Failing or not is not competitive, there's no "tally", and if one takes a tally, to what end? One making more mistakes than another doesn't make the other "better".

I pay little attention, if any, to those (least of all strangers) starting sentences with "You should..." - my mind switches off. Wrong approach.

Take the plank from your own eye before removing the splinter from the eye of your brother. A Biblical principal, and they never fail.

Let's drop this, unless you simply like "having the last word". Nothing good can come of this. Drop it. Thanks.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: pcprogrammer on October 20, 2022, 06:07:28 am
Oh yes you are the biblical man. The one talking about hypocrisy and not seeing his own.

I should have known better. It is not possible to have a rational discussion with a man of god.

But you are right it is best to leave it as is. You will be the first entry on my ignore user list.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: eti on October 20, 2022, 06:40:57 am
Oh yes you are the biblical man. The one talking about hypocrisy and not seeing his own.

I should have known better. It is not possible to have a rational discussion with a man of god.

But you are right it is best to leave it as is. You will be the first entry on my ignore user list.
. Denying GOD denies rationality itself, since you cannot have order, logic and reasoning without the author of them, who is GOD. You’ll go around in circles trying to refute that. Don’t waste any energy on it, just place me on ignore and don’t waste more of our mutual time. Walk away.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: tooki on October 20, 2022, 07:52:23 am
 :-DD

Yyyeah, all those things exist just fine without a sky fairy to explain them.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: tooki on October 20, 2022, 08:00:11 am
I post because I want to post, and I’m sure that I make my fair share of mistakes. However, I expect the intelligence and maturity of those reading, will afford them to see the wisdom in not taking to heart what some random stranger writes - this should be the case EVEN MORE so if the post isn’t directly and explicitly addressed to the person taking the offence (that wasn’t given in the first place).

I have strong views. Sorry you don’t agree with me. You’re clearly unaware that despite my being negative or moaning a fair bit (which I’m not gonna deny), maybe you’ve yet to meet the SERIOUSLY vile, nasty and disturbed regulars I see here, and whom have a truly cold and vindictive manner of response. I’m not one of those, but nonetheless, if you disagree with my approach WALK ON BY. You’re not held against your will, tied to a chair at gunpoint.
The problem with rants is that the author isn’t usually seeking a resolution. So any subsequent discussion just annoys them because there isn’t an outcome as such. But it also annoys everyone else because even well reasoned arguments just fall on the deaf ears of “LA LA LA LET ME HATE THIS!”, with no real progress or learning.

As for others here: there are indeed a number of quite nasty people on here who hide behind the “we’re rational engineers” nonsense. But that doesn’t make your rants any less annoying.

P.S. I’m not a LTT fan (as in I don’t care either way), and so I initially dismissed the LTT screwdriver as just rebranded standard fare. But after watching the making-of video and the other review video above, I changed my mind. It’s a specialized tool optimized for PC repair, with lots of thought and care gone into the optimizations.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: eti on October 20, 2022, 08:23:13 am
Gosh this place is full of self-righteous busybodies. Go about your business and forget “correcting” people, lest someone come along and do the same to you one fine day.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: pcprogrammer on October 20, 2022, 08:25:40 am
But that doesn’t make your rants any less annoying.

I don't mind rants as long as there is some foundation beneath it.

What I hate is not owning up to being corrected when it is justified. Calling someone else a hypocrite and not willing to see that you are being just as hypocritical bugs me. Another thing is flaunting with other peoples feathers, like can be seen in his other thread started today about how good the British power plug is, as if he invented it.

Is a bit like people watching football, rooting for their team, and when their team win saying WE won the match.

But as seen before you can't argue with ignorant people.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: eti on October 20, 2022, 08:26:57 am
I post because I want to post, and I’m sure that I make my fair share of mistakes. However, I expect the intelligence and maturity of those reading, will afford them to see the wisdom in not taking to heart what some random stranger writes - this should be the case EVEN MORE so if the post isn’t directly and explicitly addressed to the person taking the offence (that wasn’t given in the first place).

I have strong views. Sorry you don’t agree with me. You’re clearly unaware that despite my being negative or moaning a fair bit (which I’m not gonna deny), maybe you’ve yet to meet the SERIOUSLY vile, nasty and disturbed regulars I see here, and whom have a truly cold and vindictive manner of response. I’m not one of those, but nonetheless, if you disagree with my approach WALK ON BY. You’re not held against your will, tied to a chair at gunpoint.
The problem with rants is that the author isn’t usually seeking a resolution. So any subsequent discussion just annoys them because there isn’t an outcome as such. But it also annoys everyone else because even well reasoned arguments just fall on the deaf ears of “LA LA LA LET ME HATE THIS!”, with no real progress or learning.

As for others here: there are indeed a number of quite nasty people on here who hide behind the “we’re rational engineers” nonsense. But that doesn’t make your rants any less annoying.

P.S. I’m not a LTT fan (as in I don’t care either way), and so I initially dismissed the LTT screwdriver as just rebranded standard fare. But after watching the making-of video and the other review video above, I changed my mind. It’s a specialized tool optimized for PC repair, with lots of thought and care gone into the optimizations.


Ehhhhhh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: eti on October 20, 2022, 08:30:57 am
:-DD

Yyyeah, all those things exist just fine without a sky fairy to explain them.

“Sky fairy”? Gosh, tres originale.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: eti on October 20, 2022, 08:43:38 am
But that doesn’t make your rants any less annoying.

I don't mind rants as long as there is some foundation beneath it.

What I hate is not owning up to being corrected when it is justified. Calling someone else a hypocrite and not willing to see that you are being just as hypocritical bugs me. Another thing is flaunting with other peoples feathers, like can be seen in his other thread started today about how good the British power plug is, as if he invented it.

Is a bit like people watching football, rooting for their team, and when their team win saying WE won the match.

But as seen before you can't argue with ignorant people.
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Know what I hate? Not much. But I hate hypocrisy. We are all hypocrites and you’ve demonstrated that. I rant and get annoyed but I’m not denying it. What the #### it has to do with you? Well.. not all that much, as all humans are hypocrites and no amount of talking will change it.

A man owns up to being a schmuck. Yep I’ve been a schmuck, but since it wasn’t AIMED at anyone I don’t feel a need to say “sorry”. I’ll say that I’m sorry everyone felt the “need” to interfere and waste their time on me.

Wanna know something? You’re all far more interested in me, than I in you. If you lot ranted and raved, I can’t imagine for a second I’d lose any keyboard strokes or mental energy getting myself involved in it. I’d just “¯\_(ツ)_/¯”, think to myself “what a moron” and silently go about my day.

If I spent 1/100th the time and effort on random strangers all worked up, as you do over my subject matter, I’d not have a life. See how often I’m on here? Not much. I have an ACTUAL LIFE.


Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: Ed.Kloonk on October 20, 2022, 08:58:12 am

Wanna know something? You’re all far more interested in me, than I in you. If you lot ranted and raved, I can’t imagine for a second I’d lose any keyboard strokes or mental energy getting myself involved in it. I’d just “¯\_(ツ)_/¯”, think to myself “what a moron” and silently go about my day.


You're only interested in you. We get it.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: HighVoltage on October 20, 2022, 09:04:41 am
So, back to the screwdriver, anyone here have tested it?

I have the PB Swiss and the WERA and like both of them a lot.
But who knows maybe this LTT screwdriver is very good.
You never know until you test it.
 
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: eti on October 20, 2022, 09:06:34 am

Wanna know something? You’re all far more interested in me, than I in you. If you lot ranted and raved, I can’t imagine for a second I’d lose any keyboard strokes or mental energy getting myself involved in it. I’d just “¯\_(ツ)_/¯”, think to myself “what a moron” and silently go about my day.


You're only interested in you. We get it.

You REALLY don’t get it. You’re close, but I’m not the selfish person you paint me as. Then again, as I’ve said many times, you’re all strangers so couldn’t know me in a million lifetimes. Have a great day. 
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: pcprogrammer on October 20, 2022, 09:30:32 am
You never know until you test it.

Correct, but at ~70 bucks I'm not going to test it. Got plenty of screwdrivers around to do the jobs that need be done.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: Black Phoenix on October 20, 2022, 10:16:06 am
You never know until you test it.

Correct, but at ~70 bucks I'm not going to test it. Got plenty of screwdrivers around to do the jobs that need be done.

Plus there is already a thread about this screwdriver - https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/ltt-screwdriver-rewiev/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/ltt-screwdriver-rewiev/)

I'm more in the Wera field. I've been in situations that a common bit screwdriver is to short for the job in question. Their Kraftform Kompakt 62/33 (that already comes with a normal handle) and the 816 RA handle (bought in separate) make for me a better alternative, for not a lot more money than the LTT screwdriver.

And, going by how the one from Wera they tested performed, I would not be surprised if this handle would not be the same but without the storage and extension.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: HighVoltage on October 20, 2022, 11:21:40 am
You never know until you test it.

Correct, but at ~70 bucks I'm not going to test it. Got plenty of screwdrivers around to do the jobs that need be done.
I think I paid much more for the PB-Swiss, which is a really good one.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: hans on October 20, 2022, 11:28:22 am
Replying to the overall discussion..
I take problem with calling us "peer pressure" and "pack behaviour" , but that in itself is already exchanging feelings for facts which may not be true.
No not a "personal problem", but just in a critical view:  could it be a case of a bunch of people agreeing with this, on their own individual morale and insight? In my opinion it's gaslighting to make such harsh judgements on people like this.

We're all human, which by definition, we're at times subject to over a hundred different cognitive bias'. People regularly perform mentalization to make more rational decisions on how the interactions with our self and other humans are going. However this is not a process that can have a 24/7 uptime. When we get mad, we may break things or say mean things to even our loved ones. If we're sad, most of us may have a instinctive desire to isolate, while others may seek attention. If we're happy, we may be overly optimistic and enthusiastic which skews our judgements. If we're tired, then we put off people more quickly than they are used to. Everything is a gliding slope. But in general, we try to understand why someone is reacting in a certain way. Or we don't.. and then life becomes tough and hard.

In terms of "mind-reading" it is indeed very difficult to do this over a digital communication medium. Several people can read the same words in a million different ways. But such confusion can also happen in real-life, but we've got a few more clues to work with. Or we  can ask someone 1-on-1 about why they said something in the way they did. Good people you want to keep around are available to such discussions and are willing to understand both sides of the story, I think.

The clues I was extrapolating was from previous posts. I made 1 comment about it and then went to contextual reply of the screwdriver. I agreed on half of your points.. it's a perfect way to get more branded products into the hands of people. But it's maybe not a bad product according to some reviews. And it also helps them (LTT) out a bit to expand. Coming back to my points about 'jealously': I question if there is an underlying tone on feelings of gratitude and 'deservation' for them. I think this was also conveyed in other threads. And I strongly don't agree with that. This is why I made such a strong statement.

Yes it's hyped up. Yes it's from a social media company. Yes those guys seems like they have to learn everything on the job. But I don't think it's useful to dismiss their efforts straight away.

Let me make similarly bold statement: look at the EEVblog DMMs. Aren't those also rebranded OEM meters with a few custom plastics/prints, a slightly altered (reduced?) feature set because of OEM monopolies, and that's it? How does that justify the mark-up? At least LTT did extensive in-house product design and engineering, even if it's based on an entry-level screwdriver that's now a bit polished and hyped up to end up in the mid-range pricing tier.
However, I bet Dave also made trial calculations for designing his own equipment, but came to the conclusion it's not economically viable for a DMM. We've all heard the stories about how expensive this is for the portable PSU (which is a niche unique product) and the level of standards that Dave tries to achieve. I think a rebranded DMM is a very good alternative to: 1) Sell supporters of the channel something useful that they can use on a daily basis. 2) It's a step beyond "merch" which sounds more like 'fan material' 3) Have a sophisticated enough product that can uphold a decent mark-up, e.g. it's not a random commodity item that people can find a ton of alternatives for with the same price, features, and local in-stock.

I cannot be sure of the intent of anyone in this thread, but I think "feeling corrected" is not my intent. It's also not the intent of this post.
The word forgiveness comes to mind as well, as life is too short to drink bad wine, but I can't make the link to this discussion straight away. :) Anyhow, I will leave it this.

Oh yes you are the biblical man. The one talking about hypocrisy and not seeing his own.

I should have known better. It is not possible to have a rational discussion with a man of god.

But you are right it is best to leave it as is. You will be the first entry on my ignore user list.

I beg to differ. A colleague of mine is very religious but also one of the best listeners, non-judgemental and rational person I've come across. For sure he seeks his comfort and peace in his religion, while I'm open to hear his story and likewise stay away from judgements. I suppose it's not a common ground we share for our contacts outside work. We can share opinions and have good discussions.
But nothing is black/white.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: AndyBeez on October 20, 2022, 12:10:42 pm
Meanwhile back on topic...

Linus (and his friend Charlie Brown) is a portal for plugging stuff. Stuff we need, stuff we didn't known we needed and stuff we thought we needed, but never got round to using because we didn't need it in the end.

Auto ratcheting screwdrivers have been around since... anyone?  I think the 1920s? My ratchet screwdriver for PC use came from the bargain bin at Aldi, in the 90s. I also have a ratchetting Yankee Screwdriver, for those tight screw heads that would otherwise burn out the battery impact driver. I digress. There's lots of tools that can make you a real 'engineer' in the eyes of your peers. It just depends who your peers are.

Anyway, feel free to rant over [the implicit sexism in] these accessories I'm not plugging that you will absolutelyneed to go with your $70 ratchet screwdriver.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: Simon on October 20, 2022, 04:15:12 pm
Just don't watch the channel like I do, I find most of his videos pointless but the guy has to make a living just like all of the TV channels I choose not to watch.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: Black Phoenix on October 20, 2022, 04:43:12 pm
Just don't watch the channel like I do, I find most of his videos pointless but the guy has to make a living just like all of the TV channels I choose not to watch.

Before he moved to the new warehouse his videos were good and educational. After he moved it turn into what we have now...

Now he's trying to go back to the old times by following the Gamers Nexus route, investing in equipment and personal with expertise to start to review scientifically stuff.

One thing he had was if you had an idea of how something would work if you tried, like watercooling a cinema camera for example.

The kind of stuff that you may thought it could be possible but didn't had the manufacturing (and the guts to have the chance of damaging a expensive piece of equipment). That kind of stuff kinda is entertaining.

For reviews, there are a lot better channels for it. Plus we are starting to reach a point that for most use cases hardware with 2 years is more than enough for most applications.

I for example use an Asus Zenbook UX303UA with a i7-6500U for most applications (photo editing, Solidworks and normal computing) and it is good enough.

Although I would in the future build a new machine but the route I would follow would be or a Ryzen 3000 or the last release of the Intel HEDT platform, X299 via any used workstation from HP or Dell or old used hardware.

Good enough for what I need while saving money for other more important stuff.

Some years ago I wanted to have "the best of the best, with honors Sir..."

Nowardays almost in my 40s my mentality is that the newest not always is the best for what I need.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: tooki on October 20, 2022, 04:50:56 pm
So, back to the screwdriver, anyone here have tested it?

I have the PB Swiss and the WERA and like both of them a lot.
But who knows maybe this LTT screwdriver is very good.
You never know until you test it.
Project Farm did a comprehensive test (which included the LTT, the original the LTT is based on, and PB Swiss, among many) and gave the LTT a quite favorable review, other than the price.

In particular, his review confirms my own impression of the PB Swiss (which I own): it has extraordinarily little slop/play, but has very high back-drag. The high back-drag makes it useless for the small machine screws that make up the bulk of screw driving I (and typical PC technicians) do.

The LTT focused on optimizing it for PC servicing, so it has extremely low back-drag.

FWIW, hands-down my favorite (non-ratcheting) bit holders are the iFixit ones. They’re solid aluminum, with ball-bearing rotating end caps — normally found only on small precision drivers, but iFixit puts them even on the large driver. Its sheer mass and the rotating cap make it easy to spin small screws with minimal effort. The iFixit bits are a different matter. While it’s cool that they have every security bit under the sun, the quality of the bits is very average. They’re not hardened, and they’re not precise. Not as bad as some aliexpress tools, but certainly closer to those than to PB Swiss.

PB Swiss are hands down the best bits I’ve ever seen. The second best (Wiha, Wera, etc) look sloppy by comparison, and they’re objectively excellent!
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: magic on October 20, 2022, 04:52:27 pm
I think it is the original posters way of hiding his own incompetence behind bashing on others who are successful.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have not seen any posts of him that actually bring any skill to the table. Often a lot of chest pounding but not a lot of content.
He writes hilarious rants which not only are funny to read but also reliably trigger a whole bunch of "rationalists" to write equally hilarious responses and the fun just keeps going on...

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: tooki on October 20, 2022, 04:56:09 pm
You never know until you test it.

Correct, but at ~70 bucks I'm not going to test it. Got plenty of screwdrivers around to do the jobs that need be done.
I think I paid much more for the PB-Swiss, which is a really good one.
The PB Swiss ratcheting handle alone is around €60. The sets with large bit assortments cost significantly more.
Title: Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
Post by: SkyMaster on October 23, 2022, 02:39:58 pm
For only a few bucks more you can have:

https://shop.snapon.com/product/Standard-Handle/8-3-4%22-Ratcheting-Standard-Screwdriver-(Black)/SSDMR4B

Snap-on hard handle ratcheting screwdriver is the way to go. I have six of them, different lengths and different colours; for different application.

They are my go-to screwdrivers.

 :)