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Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« on: October 19, 2022, 07:15:02 am »
Have you seen or heard all the hoo-haa surrounding this ridiculous Linus Tech Tips screwdriver? As usual, the poser "makers" engineers that all line their toys up on pegboard, neatly arranged like a stage set, seem to be getting all excited over it... A SCREWDRIVER. It's not even one of those utterly pointless mini electric screwdrivers, it's a basic ratcheting one selling for $69.99 (I think).

If it wasn't for Mr Sebastian, there wouldn't be so much noise about a screwdriver. A. SCREWDRIVER.

The world has lost the plot. It's not a ratcheting screwdriver that makes you an engineer, it's having done engineering for years because you love it, and have barely once paid more than a passing thought to a metal shaft that turns a screw, the unscrewing of which is a means to an end. I'm not annoyed that the screwdriver exists, I'm just dumbfounded by the hype train they're all boarding 🤣🤦‍♂️
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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2022, 07:27:02 am »
Please don't tell me this is jealously again..

Anyhow, yes it's only a screwdriver. But they did base their design of megapro's and refined it. It also got some pretty good reviews, so it must mean they have done something well. Especially for a product where the branding and LTT-support incentive seems to be put on a pedestal combined with the free sponsor spots they have in virtually all PC episodes of LTT.

70$ is quite a steep price though. It's not something I'd pay for a screwdriver, but that's similar to how I wouldn't pay 700$ for a JBC iron, or 3000$ for a 4-ch reprogrammable PSU from R&S. Those are very nice pieces of kit, and if you can spot the value-adding propositions, then it's definitely worth it. But it's way more than I need. I use my pincets and small solder wire far more frequently and intensely than screwdrivers, so with that logic, I should go and buy a 70$ pincet right now.

edit: Pincet=tweezers, for some reason I always think it's a perfectly fine english word.
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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2022, 07:28:38 am »
Can you just stop being constantly annoyed about what happens on internet? BTW Project Farm tested it, and it's actually one of the best ratcheting screwdrivers.
 
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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2022, 07:34:02 am »
Can you just stop being constantly annoyed about what happens on internet? BTW Project Farm tested it, and it's actually one of the best ratcheting screwdrivers.

I don't think you could know if I'm annoyed (about a screwdriver? Annoyed? Lol). You don't have the luxury of mind-reading, and since I'm a stranger and all you have to go on is a very superficial level of perception, and you've extrapolated the rest (as has the entire populus of those who berate members for having strong views, with which they don't agree)

... Oh well, I'll let you think I'm "annoyed" then. Okay.

Pack behaviour and peer pressure is hilarious in eevblog forums. So many attacking others for the very things they are blind to (often to a far worse degree!) in themselves.

 

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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2022, 07:48:22 am »
Why don't you take this issue up with Mr Sebastian?
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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2022, 08:14:07 am »
It looks like a nice screwdriver, what's the issue? I mean keep in mind the target audience is PC enthusiasts so you'll have to cut them some slack.

I'd try one if I wasn't neck deep in Wiha/Vessel screwdrivers already, and If I need ratcheting action I already have some Nepros ratchet handles.

Are you looking down on the humble screwdriver mate, you can be one stripped screw away from turning a 15 minute job into a weekend ordeal.  :P
 
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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2022, 08:40:40 am »
It looks like a nice screwdriver, is it worth $70, probably not unless you're taking things apart all day, but if you are it might be a good tool for the job.  What's the issue?
 
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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2022, 08:48:41 am »
I think it is the original posters way of hiding his own incompetence behind bashing on others who are successful.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have not seen any posts of him that actually bring any skill to the table. Often a lot of chest pounding but not a lot of content.

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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2022, 09:31:13 am »
Maybe I'm missing something but for that kind of money I'd get myself an electric screwdriver. Seems like a much better investment where it comes to dealing with fastening / losening lots of screws.
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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2022, 10:27:34 am »
I have to admit i never used one of these electric "pen" screwdrivers like that Wiha Dave used in some of his Videos.
From what i have seen though, they often lack torque, so can't undo screws that are very tight. They also seem to be slow, but that is likely depending on the model.
If i only have to work with a couple of screws i just use a normal screwdriver. If i have to deal with a lot of screws, i use my Makita with the proper bitset. I never had an issue with to little torque with that :D Maybe sometimes too much torque though :p
That is unwieldy though and cannot reach deeply recessed screws.

But a ratcheting screwdriver, provided it can reach deeply recessed screws, sounds nice. On pictures (i have not seen videos), the shaft of the LTT screwdriver looks too thick for may recessed screws though. So i personally would not be able to really use it well enough to justify the price.

 

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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2022, 10:36:08 am »
What's wrong with the LTT Screwdriver?

It is a good ratcheting screwdriver that is also sold as LTT branded merch, so it helps support them.

Do i want one? Nah, but i can see why others would.
 
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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2022, 12:38:30 pm »
Maybe I'm missing something but for that kind of money I'd get myself an electric screwdriver. Seems like a much better investment where it comes to dealing with fastening / losening lots of screws.

Yes, I would too. Oh, wait, I have :)

I looked at this one and was interested in what makes it better than the others. The slick ratcheting mechanism, with very low drag, is really the killer USP for me because I find that drag means I just set all my ratcheting ones to locked mode. Being able to use the ratchet at other times then when the screw is fully home sounds great. I would have got one, just for that, if it were cheaper.

But... my thing is electric screwdrivers now. I don't know if having a decent ratchet might change my mind, but the back and forth movement achieving not a lot certainly doesn't encourage me and just aggravates any wrist issues. Electric isn't perfect but it has to be a really dicky screw to have me resort to a manual, now.
 
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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2022, 07:45:27 pm »
Can you just stop being constantly annoyed about what happens on internet? BTW Project Farm tested it, and it's actually one of the best ratcheting screwdrivers.

I don't think you could know if I'm annoyed (about a screwdriver? Annoyed? Lol). You don't have the luxury of mind-reading, and since I'm a stranger and all you have to go on is a very superficial level of perception, and you've extrapolated the rest (as has the entire populus of those who berate members for having strong views, with which they don't agree)

... Oh well, I'll let you think I'm "annoyed" then. Okay.

Pack behaviour and peer pressure is hilarious in eevblog forums. So many attacking others for the very things they are blind to (often to a far worse degree!) in themselves.
I can’t tell whether you’re just trying to gaslight everyone by claiming you’re not annoyed, or whether you’re actually unhinged enough to not recognize that you’re annoyed, and actually believe you’re not.

Yes, you’re annoyed. The fact that you took time to write a nastygram about the damned thing makes it clear. Your choice of words make it clear.

Everyone is tired of your stupid threads to complain about stuff. And you were warned to stop doing so less than 2 weeks ago.
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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2022, 07:54:23 pm »
I actually agree, it's massively overhyped.  They've made some useful improvements to a pretty cheap and nasty screwdriver design, but it's still pretty cheaply made if you watch the teardowns and the price is grossly overinflated.  It's selling because of who he is not because of what the screwdriver is, and that's fine, it's what marketing does.  Just don't think that you are buying a high end tool.
 

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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2022, 08:03:09 pm »
undoubtedly there is a brand markup, and the video does show that it's pretty simple and (presumably) cheap to make. But that ignores all the development work and hassle of just getting to the point of manufacture (second one, apparently). None of that comes for free and has to be paid out of sales. They will shift a fair number just from LTT viewership, but they're not in the class of, say, Draper who must sell literally millions of this kind of thing to the entire world, not just youtube nerds.
 

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A 3.5 digit 4.5 digit 5 digit 5.5 digit 6.5 digit 7.5 digit DMM is good enough for most people.
 

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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2022, 08:49:42 pm »
Quote
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I'm a sucker for nice tools, but even so there are limits :)
 

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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2022, 10:04:49 pm »
For only a few bucks more you can have:

https://shop.snapon.com/product/Standard-Handle/8-3-4%22-Ratcheting-Standard-Screwdriver-(Black)/SSDMR4B

I've never seen any of this Linus guys videos, but I did see this one where they were put head to head against each other as well as a bunch of other brands



I've never felt the need to own a ratcheting screw driver though...
 

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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2022, 10:23:31 pm »
They took a reasonably cheap design, improved on it and are selling it for a markup. So what?
Why yall got to be hating?

They have added value to the screwdriver design and obviously, there is a certain amount of that is the branding. 
And the viewers of his channels also want to help support (financially) their videos and more products they have in development.

Don't forget, they also include some nice bits that are for what the drive is directed to, which is PC building.
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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2022, 10:43:59 pm »
I hate all universal screwdrivers. I find them tolerable in an emergency kit only.
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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2022, 11:09:18 pm »
I am an electrician and use screw drivers for a living.
I couldn't think of anything more useless than a ratchet mechanism for a screwdriver.
Perhaps one of those push to turn types might be beneficial when having to address a lot of screws other than that those loose twist bits on the end of the handles of small jewellers screw drivers are on the verge of being useful
 

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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2022, 02:08:21 am »
Can you just stop being constantly annoyed about what happens on internet? BTW Project Farm tested it, and it's actually one of the best ratcheting screwdrivers.

I don't think you could know if I'm annoyed (about a screwdriver? Annoyed? Lol). You don't have the luxury of mind-reading, and since I'm a stranger and all you have to go on is a very superficial level of perception, and you've extrapolated the rest (as has the entire populus of those who berate members for having strong views, with which they don't agree)

... Oh well, I'll let you think I'm "annoyed" then. Okay.

Pack behaviour and peer pressure is hilarious in eevblog forums. So many attacking others for the very things they are blind to (often to a far worse degree!) in themselves.
I can’t tell whether you’re just trying to gaslight everyone by claiming you’re not annoyed, or whether you’re actually unhinged enough to not recognize that you’re annoyed, and actually believe you’re not.

Yes, you’re annoyed. The fact that you took time to write a nastygram about the damned thing makes it clear. Your choice of words make it clear.

Everyone is tired of your stupid threads to complain about stuff. And you were warned to stop doing so less than 2 weeks ago.

When did you major in psychology, or mind-reading? You’ve literally no idea what I’m thinking, how I feel, where I live or who I am.

If I may humbly offer a little advice which I’m pretty sure you’ll ignore, since you presume to know me and know my feelings (which is preposterously impossible). Nonetheless, here’s some advice, up to you what you do with it:

Don’t TAKE offence if it’s not being given to you.

Don’t wilfully allow random strangers online to wind you up and steal your peace.

I post because I want to post, and I’m sure that I make my fair share of mistakes. However, I expect the intelligence and maturity of those reading, will afford them to see the wisdom in not taking to heart what some random stranger writes - this should be the case EVEN MORE so if the post isn’t directly and explicitly addressed to the person taking the offence (that wasn’t given in the first place).

I have strong views. Sorry you don’t agree with me. You’re clearly unaware that despite my being negative or moaning a fair bit (which I’m not gonna deny), maybe you’ve yet to meet the SERIOUSLY vile, nasty and disturbed regulars I see here, and whom have a truly cold and vindictive manner of response. I’m not one of those, but nonetheless, if you disagree with my approach WALK ON BY. You’re not held against your will, tied to a chair at gunpoint.

I’ve had to force myself to stand back and laugh, whenever people “get offended” by such utter piffling trivia online, usually forums and Twitter, because you have to WANT to be angry, and that says more of the one taking offence than the one unintentionally showing “anger” as you so firmly believe of me.

I’ve nothing to prove to a stranger, and I’d maybe counsel you to not feel you have to justify yourself to anyone, so long as you’re also not being ghastly and deliberately rude or attacking someone personally.

As I’ve often seen parroted on this very forum “we are very opinionated engineers” and “grow a thick skin and put up with it” or variations thereof, yadda yadda.

Now, either that’s true, or it’s hypocritical as certain members pick and choose to whom that applies. In either case, I’m a stranger to you and I shouldn’t ruffle your feathers. You’re one to me, and with the utmost respect to you and to everyone else here, I respect your views and talents, but your opinions of me are meaningless, and my need to “justify” my views ain’t ever gonna happen - why would I, so long as I’m not being vile and cruel or plain nasty? I wouldn’t and won’t defend a passionate feeling for a subject. Don’t like it? Don’t have to read it, do you.

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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2022, 05:07:46 am »
Don’t like it? Don’t have to read it, do you.

Even though I state this myself sometimes, even did in this thread, it is flawed in the sense that to know if you don't like it, you have to read it first.

But tooki is right in the sense that you have been asked by Dave to not do it anymore, and you said that you would double check before doing it again. https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/unnecessary-look-at-me-tv-show-titles/msg4451464/#msg4451464

I guess that double checking went out of the window fairly quick did it not? Since you started yet another one today.

If only you showed that you have actual skills on any of the subjects you judge on, it would not be so bad, but I don't see them. But when I pointed that out in a thread you started you ran to the moderators to have it removed on some technicality.

For the ones that missed that, it was the thread were he asked a very simple question about some arduino programming.

 https://www.eevblog.com/forum/programming/esp32-(arduino-on-platformio-serial-println-error)/msg4456372/#msg4456372

There I wrote that it was a simple question for a guy who claims to know it all and provided evidence as such by quoting from other threads, which seems to be frowned upon.

The claims he made in his posts below make you think that he is quite the programmer, but the question asked proofs different.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/programming/python-becomes-the-most-popular-language/msg4456414/#msg4456414
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/programming/the-next-generation-of-programmers/msg4456423/#msg4456423

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Re: Linus tech tips: screwdriver hype.
« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2022, 05:26:40 am »
Don't we all make mistakes? Find something more productive to do than place yourselves in the feigned roll of high court judge. We're all human, we all have flaws. Focus on doing YOUR best and I'll keep trying at mine. We all fail daily, and yet none is better or worse than the other. We are all fallible. There is no "upper limit" on making mistakes and doing silly things.

Placing oneself in a self-appointed role upon supposed "moral high ground" on a high horse, only means one thing: you're seen by more people when you're raised up and shouting dictates, and will fall harder and be scrutinized MORE when (and not if) you fall, and for the smallest of reasons, since you'll be held to a higher standard since it is a higher standard you demanded of others, and such we reap as we sow.

We're all human.

The best thing for each to do is keep in our own lane and try to make sure WE don't crash. 
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