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RoGeorge:
We were talking lunar landing and space exploration, and suddenly global worming and self guilt-tripping.  :-//

If this is not mind conditioning, then I don't know what it is.  james_s that is exactly how any other animal or plant or even rock came into existence, by a chain of physical and chemical transformations.  They all ARE the universe, not the parasites.  Do you think humans are parasites because they multiply and fill their environment, any other living thing does the same.  This is what life is.

You think 1970 was OK?  I was just listening to an audiobook about the early 1900 years in Romania/Europe.  The peasants were asking their masters to give them land, because there were too many people.

What I don't like about global warming is that I'm fear-mongered with it since I can remember.  Al Gore and various scientists keep telling me in 10-20 the world will end.  Since then, those 10-20 years deadlines have passed about 4 times now.

Another question I have is how that everybody is so sure that the increase in CO2 is because of humans?  In the past it was hundreds of times bigger, yet there were no humans and no industry back then.  I'm talking about charts like these (Ma means "Million years ago"):


Chart source:  https://www.e-education.psu.edu/earth103/node/1018

Humans, just like any other animal, can be tamed.  If you keep repeating the same thing to them, while fear-mongering and guilt-tripping them, they will eventually believe anything, and obey anything.  Except when a population is pushed into survival mode.  In such situations (e.g. hunger), all the brainwashing is dropped in favor of survival instincts.

Since I know nothing about long term history of the Earth, or about geology and alike, I can only look at other indicators, and it rather looks like propaganda to me.  Not sure if it's an intentionally fueled propaganda, or if it's just a random trend that perpetuates itself because it was repeated too many times, like religions.

I might be wrong, but this is how it looks like to me, random dude that doesn't use social media:  Any broader discussion, no mater how interesting (like moon landing/space exploration in this case), if it's broader, then it invariably degenerates into preaching the same few topics over and over.  Global warming, gender issues, holocaust, racism, left vs right, things like that.  Why?  If you ask anybody in a face to face talk, they'll tell you they are sick of hearing about any of these subjects, so why it still happens?  I think social media achieved mass brainwashing, intentionally or by accident, and it all self-fuels now.  My rambling is too long already, gonna stop here.
Brumby:

--- Quote from: RoGeorge on July 24, 2022, 01:36:54 pm ---Oh, common, please don't speak in riddles, I have no idea what that number should be, and most of all don't try to denigrate others.  If you see a mistake, just say the correct info.

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OK.  The figure given was for the radius.

Every number of that magnitude I came across in regards to the size of the Milky Way was noted as being the radius.
gnuarm:

--- Quote from: Brumby on July 24, 2022, 09:34:33 am ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on July 22, 2022, 04:39:30 am ---Even as fiction, Star Trek is a bit ridiculous.  I guess I've never paid attention to whether they've left the galaxy, still, within the galaxy, you have to exceed the speed of light by huge factors to get around.  It's 52,000 light years across.

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:palm:  How to kill your credibility.

You might want to pay more attention next time you pull out some numbers.

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WoW!  Only in an engineering forum would someone completely miss the point by focusing on such a trivial detail. 

That's what I get for hanging out with nerds.
pcprogrammer:

--- Quote from: RoGeorge on July 25, 2022, 07:15:28 am ---We were talking lunar landing and space exploration, and suddenly global worming and self guilt-tripping.  :-//

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For me the talk was an extension of space exploration, and more specifically the drive of some that the human species has to extend its grasp onto other parts of the universe, where james_s, to my opinion, rightfully argued that the species here on earth is not capable of doing such a good job and going into space would not save the species either.


--- Quote from: RoGeorge on July 25, 2022, 07:15:28 am ---If this is not mind conditioning, then I don't know what it is.  james_s that is exactly how any other animal or plant or even rock came into existence, by a chain of physical and chemical transformations.  They all ARE the universe, not the parasites.  Do you think humans are parasites because they multiply and fill their environment, any other living thing does the same.  This is what life is.

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Mind conditioning is all around, and it starts the moment you are born. I think the comparison with parasites is based on behavior that the human race shows. Feeding of the environment without bringing anything useful back to the environment. Here you can start an argument about what is useful, and that every other living organism does the same, but non the less this is what the human race is doing.


--- Quote from: RoGeorge on July 25, 2022, 07:15:28 am ---You think 1970 was OK?  I was just listening to an audiobook about the early 1900 years in Romania/Europe.  The peasants were asking their masters to give them land, because there were too many people.

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Human trade, live was better back then, will always be used. Some things will have been better, other things not.


--- Quote from: RoGeorge on July 25, 2022, 07:15:28 am ---What I don't like about global warming is that I'm fear-mongered with it since I can remember.  Al Gore and various scientists keep telling me in 10-20 the world will end.  Since then, those 10-20 years deadlines have passed about 4 times now.

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Certainly true, and this and other topics will be used to do the taming of the people for as long as there are people. That is also life. But that does not mean we should not complain about it.


--- Quote from: RoGeorge on July 25, 2022, 07:15:28 am ---Another question I have is how that everybody is so sure that the increase in CO2 is because of humans?  In the past it was hundreds of times bigger, yet there were no humans and no industry back then.  I'm talking about charts like these (Ma means "Million years ago"):


Chart source:  https://www.e-education.psu.edu/earth103/node/1018

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And that is why I question this myself. But a fact is that the human race is treating this planet poorly, and will continue to do so until we go extinct, and when we do, nature will restore, until some other species picks up again and history repeats.


--- Quote from: RoGeorge on July 25, 2022, 07:15:28 am ---Humans, just like any other animal, can be tamed.  If you keep repeating the same thing to them, while fear-mongering and guilt-tripping them, they will eventually believe anything, and obey anything.  Except when a population is pushed into survival mode.  In such situations (e.g. hunger), all the brainwashing is dropped in favor of survival instincts.

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Yes and that is what I fear and what may bring the human race to extinction. The strongest will win and be left with a fucked up planet.


--- Quote from: RoGeorge on July 25, 2022, 07:15:28 am ---Since I know nothing about long term history of the Earth, or about geology and alike, I can only look at other indicators, and it rather looks like propaganda to me.  Not sure if it's an intentionally fueled propaganda, or if it's just a random trend that perpetuates itself because it was repeated too many times, like religions.

I might be wrong, but this is how it looks like to me, random dude that doesn't use social media:  Any broader discussion, no mater how interesting (like moon landing/space exploration in this case), if it's broader, then it invariably degenerates into preaching the same few topics over and over.  Global warming, gender issues, holocaust, racism, left vs right, things like that.  Why?  If you ask anybody in a face to face talk, they'll tell you they are sick of hearing about any of these subjects, so why it still happens?  I think social media achieved mass brainwashing, intentionally or by accident, and it all self-fuels now.  My rambling is too long already, gonna stop here.

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Well random dude, this is also social media, but that aside, these discussions flow into these topics, because that is what is on most of our minds, and here both sides are free to advocate their point of view. And yes social and any other form of media is working very hard to brainwash the human race. Commercials for instance are there to steer you to the shops and buy stuff you don't necessarily need. News is filtered and adjusted to steer you into believing what is true and right. And so on.

Sure it all is no different from the way back preacher standing on his pedestal and scaring his flock to do this and not that by use of eternal damnation. It is just on a far bigger scale.
Circlotron:

--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on July 25, 2022, 09:17:41 am ---Sure it all is no different from the way back preacher standing on his pedestal and scaring his flock to do this and not that by use of eternal damnation. It is just on a far bigger scale.

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In perfect context with this discussion, what that preacher should have directed his flock's attention to is where it says "and the appointed time came...to bring to ruin those ruining the earth." Revelation 11:18.
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