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CatalinaWOW:
This union stuff seems off topic, but it really is the same thing. An organization which has as part of its function the protection of members jobs taking umbrage at a non member performing a task that is related in some way to the tasks of members. While the PE licensing organizations do have a role in maintaining standards and protecting the public, in operation (particularly as promoted by many individual members) they have many of the characteristics of a labor union. Good and bad.
Unions do have a role in the world, and have protected many folks from abuse. But just as corporations with great power frequently abuse that power, unions can amass great power and often abuse it.
vodka:
--- Quote from: SL4P on April 30, 2017, 07:32:50 pm ---Here in Australia, in most jurisdictions - I'mnot allowed to replace a power outlet or the plug on a mains cable ---- yet my role in a former job was to design power distribution panels within a national telco's facilities, along with video compression and mux racks...
How does that work?
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So here, i don't allow to install or fix electric installations without installer card , i can't sign the blue bulletin(warrant which my electric installation is on rule with the Regulatory company supply company ) ,any
i can't sign The first habitability certificate and second without being signed up on a professional college .
We are going to go more taxes and more "pizzo" on noun of the security. Each day I think that with the Franco's dictadure("Spain") we are more free and less constraints than now
vodka:
--- Quote from: evb149 on May 01, 2017, 03:01:29 pm ---Well one can complain about union bureaucracy but I imagine there's more to complain about on the other side of the coin.
How about your stories about being overworked, having to put in 60, 70, 80 hour weeks, 20+ hour days, asked to do basically 2+ jobs
without adequate staff / resources, etc.? Somehow someone else's lack of planning becoming somehow said to be your personal emergency "WE've got to get XXX done today / this week / this month, and it's all up to YOU!".
Getting pressure to work nights, weekends, give up planned vacations, etc. awithout any compensation (or even with, still bad enough to be put into the position for lack of adequate project planning / resource allocation).
I'm always hearing stories about overworked SW engineers in Silicon Valley among others.
And then you hear about the true sweatshop conditions in a lot of the overseas manufacturing plants for electronics, 6-7 day work weeks, 18+ hours/day, etc.
Recent stories about even the most prominent tech. companies in Silicon Valley being found to be highly unfair in compensation and staffing practices to women and minorities.
There seems to be more of a need for more unions in tech rather than less to protect the interests of the employees.
How often do you feel like your company is actually looking out for you and working as hard to take care of you vs. how hard you're asked to work for their benefit? Some lucky ones do have great respect / treatment at their jobs but I imagine a majority are not so lucky.
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That happens on all the world and on all the jobs . The unique solution that we have for avoiding the abuse and the explotation of the corporations are ourselves. If we can, we have to put limit to eat shit.
I know many cases of the people that they didn't need money and they were working with "NEGREROS"("Person that sold and bought black sclaves").
For example , a waiter that worked 12 hours per day during all days of the week and only recieved by 3 hour per day ,ergo, he worked 9 hour free per day for the restaurant.
I have never understand the persons that works free more still when they havent economical troubles.
thm_w:
--- Quote from: james_s on May 01, 2017, 03:42:24 pm ---Like I said, I like the idea of unions, but I just can't stand all the petty red tape that seems to come with them. I'd rather be overworked and underpaid than get fired because I just can't stand to abide by a bunch of ridiculous rules and red tape. I like being versatile and flexible, I can't stand having my hands tied and not being allowed to do something that I'm fully capable of doing.
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Enjoy the 12+ hour days without overtime pay, for less wage than you get now.
http://www.sbctc.org/doc.asp?id=4463
As if all non-unionized jobs are guaranteed to be free from ridiculous rules and red tape.
Habropoda:
--- Quote from: splin on April 30, 2017, 10:19:58 pm ---A friend of mine is a Professor of electrical and electronic engineering at a major University; when consulting on power systems at Boeing he wasn't allowed to touch the controls on a scope and had to ask a technician (probably titled Avionics Engineer) to change a setting. :palm:
More of a shop-floor union issue than anything to do with safety of course.
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I'm more disappointed in Boeing for letting the union do their job. If I was in charge of a project at Boeing I wouldn't allow a visiting professor touch anything either. Imagine the conversation:
"Sure, Professor Roohparvar, feel free to move the equipment around and change anything you want. Just be careful of the student interns over there carving on the missile guidance and commercial aircraft pcbs. Don't want to jostle an elbow, amiright?"
Incompetence and abuse of power can happen at all levels of education, corporation and unions. The important part is to have reasonable rules and procedures to minimize the effect this can have.
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