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Man fined for criticizing govt using science, without a license

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james_s:

--- Quote from: thm_w on May 01, 2017, 09:35:12 pm ---Enjoy the 12+ hour days without overtime pay, for less wage than you get now.
http://www.sbctc.org/doc.asp?id=4463

As if all non-unionized jobs are guaranteed to be free from ridiculous rules and red tape.

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If I were asked to routinely work 12 hour days without overtime pay I would quit and find a different job. I've never personally worked a union job and I've never had to deal with particularly unpleasant working conditions. Sure nothing is perfect, but I have not seen these sort of dire issues yet, we have federal protections today for many of the more important things unions fought for and won.

I'm not suggesting we should get rid of unions, nor questioning their value in certain respects, but I there is no shortage of ridiculous things, more ridiculous than I have ever had to deal with from my own employers. I got yelled at once years ago for unplugging and coiling up an extension cord after a trade show, give me a break, I don't care if that's so-and-so's job, he wasn't there and I was just standing around. I'm perfectly capable of unplugging an extension cord and coiling it up and that guy can piss off, I'm not 5 years old and it offends me to be treated as though I'm unqualified to perform such a basic task. Focus on the real issues, employers taking advantage of workers, mistreatment, unsafe working conditions, illegal or unethical behavior, etc. Stop having a cow over trivial stuff or going to great lengths to protect a small percentage of very low performing employees. I don't care for the extreme focus on tenure and seniority either, I mean both are worthy of consideration but IMO the primary focus ought to be on merit. It also irks me when diehard union guys huff and puff and go on as if the union is the greatest thing on earth, can do no wrong and is the sole reason any off them are the least bit competent at their jobs, while looking down their noses at anyone who is non-union, even the best and most well meaning organizations have flaws. The way the unions keep wages high for certain jobs is purely by exclusion, making it very, very difficult for people to get in, even if they are well qualified to do the job. A friend of mine spent some time working for Chrysler back in the 90s and has commented that he viewed his union dues as a tax he paid to prevent his car from getting keyed.

wkb:
What utter :palm: nonsense

I am far more worried by certain people criticising science without a proper brain..  ::)

X:

--- Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on April 26, 2017, 08:02:25 am ---https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/man-fined-dollar500-for-crime-of-writing-i-am-an-engineer-in-an-email-to-the-government
 :palm:

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He was not fined for criticising the government using science without a license.
He was fined for saying he is an engineer when he is probably not. In short, probably misleading behaviour.


--- Quote from: embedded doc --- Jarlstrom is not now , and never has been, registered to practice engineering in Oregon, or any other state in the United States. Jarlstrom has claimed to be a Swedish engineer. However, engineering is not a regulated profession in Sweden. No licensure, registration, or certification is offered or required to practice engineering in Sweden.
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My bold, hence the "probably" remark.

Turns out he was also fined for other stuff:

--- Quote from: embedded doc ---Jarlstrom runs an audio product design and testing business that is not registered with the Oregon Secretary of State's office.
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No mention if he runs his business in Oregon or elsewhere outside that jurisdiction either.

Him criticising the government is not directly the subject of the fine, his claim of being an engineer is what is under scrutiny.

james_s:
But he is an engineer, he's an electronics engineer, that's his job title. He never claimed to be a PE.

Richard Crowley:

--- Quote from: X on May 02, 2017, 05:23:06 pm ---Him criticising the government is not the subject of the fine, his claim of being an engineer is what is under scrutiny.

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And thus endeth the lesson.  The state has successfully deflected the attention from the real problem. Even bamboozling contributors to this august forum.   :palm:

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