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Man fined for criticizing govt using science, without a license
Richard Crowley:
--- Quote from: X on May 03, 2017, 03:27:49 am ---
--- Quote from: Richard Crowley on May 03, 2017, 02:00:03 am ---The only variables here could be measured by child with a tape-measure and a stop-watch.
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Could be measured, doesn't necessarily mean it was.
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They have been studied, timed, filmed, measured, calculated, ad nauseam for decades. If Järlström didn't measure it himself, he could have referred to dozens of previous investigations.
--- Quote ---Another such example is batteriser.
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Yes, another example of common sense measurement and disclosure being rejected categorically by the perpetrator.
--- Quote ---This is interesting. In your view, would this accurately describe the situation over there?
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Sounds reasonable. But it doesn't cover the decades of previous history.
station240:
--- Quote from: SL4P on April 30, 2017, 07:32:50 pm ---Here in Australia, in most jurisdictions - I'mnot allowed to replace a power outlet or the plug on a mains cable
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What on earth are you talking about ?
Only Queensland has the restrictions on working on plug in appliances. Everywhere else in Australia no qualifications what so ever are needed.
The exact issue being, working on ANY >50V electrical wiring requires an electrician. Yes that includes banning qualified electronics people from replacing a simple plug or repairing mains powered anything.
In a sane world, having an actual engineering qualification should have been enough in this case. But no, they had to turn what was no doubt originally a simple non-profit to keep track of who had proper engineering skills into a huge song and dance. What's next, taking Universities to court for claiming their degrees make people into engineers ?
Richard Crowley:
--- Quote from: X on May 03, 2017, 11:59:15 pm ---In that case, it certainly would help his case to cite these sources. I know if I was in his position and I was actually trying to point out a problem, I would want to cite as much information as I can from external sources too.
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Well, considering that the city and state ignored all the previous evidence, citing it would appear to be pointless.
--- Quote ---If the situation is as dire as you are suggesting (I have never lived in Oregon so I am not sure) then hopefully this will bring things to light. Perhaps if anything, the state was doing the right thing by essentially invoking the Streisand effect.
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Dunno about "dire". It is simply one of many chronic anomalies we deal with local government constantly. And the list grows longer with time, somewhat diluting the important of this particular annoyance. I have zero expectation that this will bring anything to light. It is simply another in a long line of nearly-identical events. :-//
james_s:
It's not too unreasonable in the US either. You can get a permit to do the work yourself, then when you finish you have an inspector sign off and then you're good to go. Nobody bothers to get a permit for small stuff like changing receptacles or light fixtures although technically I think you're supposed to. I've done a couple of fairly major projects including replacing the service panel and nearly doubling the number of circuits in a friend's house. The inspector was impressed and asked if I was an electrician which I took as a compliment.
Richard Crowley:
--- Quote from: james_s on May 04, 2017, 12:06:01 am ---It's not too unreasonable in the US either. You can get a permit to do the work yourself, then when you finish you have an inspector sign off and then you're good to go. Nobody bothers to get a permit for small stuff like changing receptacles or light fixtures although technically I think you're supposed to. I've done a couple of fairly major projects including replacing the service panel and nearly doubling the number of circuits in a friend's house. The inspector was impressed and asked if I was an electrician which I took as a compliment.
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In all the jurisdictions I am familiar with, if you are not licensed, you are not permitted to work on wiring >48V in any public building, or on any private building except the one in which you live. The inspector could just have easily cited you with a violation if they had the notion.
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