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| BrianHG:
Just bumped into this YouTube video of the case: I'm surprised how shocked the news casters at the end are that anyone who says they are an engineer require some ort of a license to do so. |
| metrologist:
--- Quote from: BrianHG on September 15, 2018, 08:59:55 pm ---I'm surprised how shocked the news casters at the end are that anyone who says they are an engineer require some ort of a license to do so. --- End quote --- I got lost in your statement, but not all engineers need a license. In many cases, for architectural designs and such, only a PE will need to stamp the design drawings and specifications. I used to work for an engineering company that built retained earth walls. I was trained to use the cad software and how to run the calculations for the design, and would work from the state survey drawings to design the retaining structures. These would merely get stamped by the resident PE. We also did bridge abutments, post tensioned structures, even nuclear reactor domes. Specialists without even a bachelor's degree designed many aspects of these structures. |
| RoGeorge:
Here, in EU/Romania, if you have an engineer degree, that means you can say you are an engineer. An engineering diploma means 8 years general school + 4 years high school + 4 or 5 years university, kindergarten years are not counted. There are some shortcuts for the Uni, you might be an engineer for some qualifications after only 3 years, but this case is rare. I don't know about the legislation, but unless you have an engineering degree diploma, pretending that you are an engineer without a diploma will make everybody think you are a fraud or a fake, no matter how high your professional skills are. Diploma to prove at least 15 years of study is mandatory. Later edit: Without an Engineer Degree, you can say you are a Technician (of course, this is only if you have a Technician Degree - at least 12 years of study), or else you'll most probably be seen as an unqualified worker. |
| Mr. Scram:
--- Quote from: RoGeorge on September 17, 2018, 08:30:42 pm ---Here, in EU/Romania, if you have an engineer degree, that means you can say you are an engineer. An engineering diploma means 8 years general school + 4 years high school + 4 or 5 years university, kindergarten years are not counted. There are some shortcuts for the Uni, you might be an engineer for some qualifications after only 3 years, but this case is rare. I don't know about the legislation, but unless you have an engineering degree diploma, pretending that you are an engineer without a diploma will make everybody think you are a fraud or a fake, no matter how high your professional skills are. Diploma to prove at least 15 years of study is mandatory. Later edit: Without an Engineer Degree, you can say you are a Technician (of course, this is only if you have a Technician Degree - at least 12 years of study), or else you'll most probably be seen as an unqualified worker. --- End quote --- That was the point. This guy is a fully trained engineer in Sweden and has worked in engineering related trades most of his life. Despite all this he wasn't engineering without a licence in Oregon. He was merely observing an issue, doing some calculations and reporting on his findings. This should be the right of anyone. Yet they are shooting the messenger by going after him for mentioning he is an engineer, which he is. It seems to be successful, though. I don't think the traffic lights have been adjusted and attention has been diverted. "Mats Järlström is, by all accounts, an engineer. He graduated from engineering school in Sweden, served as an airplane-camera mechanic in the Swedish Air Force and worked in research and development at an electronics manufacturer. For the past 20 years, he has earned a living designing and repairing audio equipment. He is not, however, a “licensed professional” in the state of Oregon, where he put down roots in the early 1990s. So when Järlström did his own study of the timing mechanisms in the state’s red-light cameras and found them flawed, Oregon officials hit him with a $500 fine for “unlicensed practice of engineering.”" https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/12/08/criticizing-red-light-cameras-is-not-a-punishable-offense-oregon-concedes/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b3ea18efede4 |
| BrianHG:
--- Quote from: metrologist on September 17, 2018, 08:10:11 pm --- --- Quote from: BrianHG on September 15, 2018, 08:59:55 pm ---I'm surprised how shocked the news casters at the end are that anyone who says they are an engineer require some ort of a license to do so. --- End quote --- I got lost in your statement, but not all engineers need a license. --- End quote --- I know this, I was talking about the anchor cast comments at this point: https://youtu.be/IIPYcCii7Sg?t=226 That they didn't have a clue. But, I guess everyone I know in my industry use the title engineer, half of which are schooled with a completely different degree and just decided to learn electronics on their own and pursue a career in the field. |
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