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| Richard Crowley:
This just popped up on my YouTube menu of videos to watch. Just one of probably over 100 news reports about the Beaverton cameras.... --- Quote ---A traffic control device should be used to provide safety. And not to generate revenue. -- Mats Jarlstrom --- End quote --- https://youtu.be/bAm0o51Qqtc |
| GeorgeOfTheJungle:
I'd swear the orange here lasts even less than that. I'm going to have to check it out... |
| rstofer:
--- Quote from: metrologist on September 17, 2018, 08:10:11 pm --- --- Quote from: BrianHG on September 15, 2018, 08:59:55 pm ---I'm surprised how shocked the news casters at the end are that anyone who says they are an engineer require some ort of a license to do so. --- End quote --- I got lost in your statement, but not all engineers need a license. In many cases, for architectural designs and such, only a PE will need to stamp the design drawings and specifications. I used to work for an engineering company that built retained earth walls. I was trained to use the cad software and how to run the calculations for the design, and would work from the state survey drawings to design the retaining structures. These would merely get stamped by the resident PE. We also did bridge abutments, post tensioned structures, even nuclear reactor domes. Specialists without even a bachelor's degree designed many aspects of these structures. --- End quote --- In California, generally, a graduate engineer goes to work for a firm having registered engineers for a 4 year internship. Before starting, the graduate will need to pass the Engineer-In-Training exam and after 4 years and with the recommendation of at least one registered engineer, they can take the Professional Engineer exam. Upon successful completion, they are now a Registered Professional Engineer (RPE). There may be some variation in this process, I passed the EIT in '76 and never bothered with the PE bit. Many 'designers' (note that their business cards won't say 'Engineer') are not RPEs nor do they need to be. The drawings will be reviewed and stamped by the RPE and he is the one carrying Errors and Omissions Insurance. The guy to blame is the guy that stamped the plans. There are many fields of engineering that don't require registration - electronics is one example and there might be others. But any field involving life safety will require registration. |
| rsjsouza:
--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on September 18, 2018, 08:09:03 am --- --- Quote from: brucehoult on April 26, 2017, 07:35:41 pm ---You are legally allowed to stop at any moment, without warning. It is ENTIRELY the responsibility of any following vehicle to maintain a separation sufficient to allow them to stop if you do. --- End quote --- While true, that doesn't seem enough to shift all responsibility when the situation created consistently leads to more accidents. Good road design helps people behave correctly, just like good engineering stops people from making common mistakes. As a side note, many places prohibit unnecessary braking or sudden changes of direction without due indication. If you slam on the brakes for no other reason than the speed limit, both of you could be in trouble. --- End quote --- I can vouch for this as well: in the places I lived and drove, the regulations also take into consideration the reason why you made a sudden stop: an empty fuel tank or a car breakdown will give you a hefty fine, but a blown tire or broken suspension usually take investigative work as they may depend on the road conditions. Also, as soon as you stop in one of these conditions, the emergency blinkers must be turned on. Sometimes the road design can contribute to accidents but it takes some time for the local authorities to take notice. Until about two years ago, in a highway around here a shared (pool) lane was only separated by a soft posts - idiots stuck in traffic in the main lanes would suddenly jump into the pool lane with the occasional rear end crash (car at 100km/h can't stop instantly). However, for a long time the benefit of the doubt has given the jail free card to the merging vehicle, until people used dash cams and the city placed zillions of traffic cameras. |
| ciccio:
I was reading this interesting thread for the first time to-day, and I think that, apart from the discussion on the duration of the yellow at the traffic light, the origin of the problem is linguistic: the English term "engineer has different meanings, from the person who designs a computer to the one who drives a train. The discussion would not have been had it been a Lawyer, because nobody calls himself a Leawyer if he isn't... In Italy (and in many European countries) who signs or defines himself as an Engineer (Ingegnere) must be enrolled in the Register of Engineers of his Province, and this requires: - obtainig a five-year Univerity degree (those with the new three-year degree is a "Junior Engineer") and therefore be a Doctor in Engineering (I got a Graduation in Nuclear Engineering from the University of Bologna in 1976) - passing the State exam for professional qualification (I did in 1979, when I was designing circuits for a living, but i could not call me an "Ingegnere") - being accepted into the "Albo" (Register) of the Province where he resides and must, mainain this enrollment, following training courses for about 50 hours a year. If he is not enrolled in the Register, he can not be called (or call himself) an Ingegnere, but only a Doctor in Engineering. Doing so he will commit a crime. Only a Registered Engineer can sign projects of thing having to do with people safety, such as buildings, bridges, roads, etc. You can design other things, maybe better than a graduate engineer, but you are a "Progettista", not an "Ingegnere" Best regards |
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