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Richard Crowley:
Remember that the reaction of the government had nothing to do with the term "engineer" or paying the fee to become a "registered engineer".  It was a tactic used by the government to divert attention away from the actual issue: the use of cameras to catch drivers in deliberately-rigged entrapment.  The fact that so many people here are hung up on the definition and use of the term "engineer" is proof that their strategy of misdirection is working exactly as they intended.   :palm:

Mr. Scram:

--- Quote from: ciccio on September 23, 2018, 03:48:32 pm ---I was reading this interesting thread for the first time to-day, and I think that, apart from the discussion on the duration of the yellow at the traffic light, the origin of the problem is linguistic: the English term "engineer has different meanings, from the person who designs a computer to the one who drives a train.
The discussion would not have been had it been a Lawyer, because nobody calls himself a Leawyer if he isn't...
In Italy (and in many European countries) who signs or defines himself as an Engineer (Ingegnere) must be enrolled in the Register of Engineers of his Province, and this requires:
- obtainig a five-year Univerity degree (those with the new three-year degree is a "Junior Engineer") and therefore be a Doctor in Engineering (I got a Graduation in Nuclear Engineering from the University of Bologna in 1976)
- passing the State exam for professional qualification (I did in 1979, when I was designing circuits for a living, but i could not call me an "Ingegnere")
- being accepted into the "Albo" (Register) of the Province where he resides and must, mainain this enrollment, following  training courses for about 50 hours a year.
If he is not enrolled in the Register, he can not be called (or call himself) an Ingegnere, but only a Doctor in Engineering.
Doing so he will commit a crime.
Only a Registered Engineer can sign projects of thing having to do with people safety, such as buildings, bridges, roads, etc.
You can design other things, maybe better than a graduate engineer, but you are a "Progettista", not an "Ingegnere"

Best regards

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That's part of the discussion, but the issue is that this guy is an engineer. He just isn't in the US or Oregon, but he is in Sweden. The same issue could apply to a laywer.

VK3DRB:

--- Quote from: Richard Crowley on September 21, 2018, 04:48:34 pm ---This just popped up on my YouTube menu of videos to watch.  Just one of probably over 100 news reports about the Beaverton cameras....

A traffic control device should be used to provide safety. And not to generate revenue. -- Mats Jarlstrom...

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A very similar thing happened here at the road approaching Tullamarine Airport. It took an engineer, a member of the public, to investigate and discover the cameras had been maladjusted by the state government. Vicroads (the roads department of the Victorian state government) chose to leave it maladjusted for about 9 months after the engineer alerted them, continuing to collect extra revenue from the biggest money-spinning camera in the state. When this became public, all hell broke loose and the government was forced into in damage control, promising to return stolen money to the hapless drivers who should not have been fined.

A man named Gary Liddle was running Vicroads. He was verbally torn to shreds by a radio station 3AW program presenter as he was interviewed on air, because the organisation he was responsible for was ripping off drivers for many months after the maladjusted camera was reported. He feeble excuse was it was due to an "internal communications failure".

Media release...
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/red-light-cameras-faulty-vicroads-admits-20121005-2734t.html

Report...
http://cameracommissioner.vic.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/rscc_report_yellow_light_timing_issues.pdf
This report clearly omits the date when Gordon Bishop first reported the problem to Vicroads. Why? There was a lot of cover-ups over this debacle. The public only know part of the story.

metrologist:

--- Quote from: Richard Crowley on September 24, 2018, 12:32:57 am ---Remember that the reaction of the government had nothing to do with the term "engineer" or paying the fee to become a "registered engineer".  It was a tactic used by the government to divert attention away from the actual issue: the use of cameras to catch drivers in deliberately-rigged entrapment.  The fact that so many people here are hung up on the definition and use of the term "engineer" is proof that their strategy of misdirection is working exactly as they intended.   :palm:

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Well, it shouldn't be for any American who is paying attention. You see what's happening on the big stage now and understand that, I'm sure. But regardless, you still have to play the same strategic game. I wonder if the people who levied the charges were actual lawyers claiming someone broke the law. Or can only police officers determine that now? You get my meaning.

Richard Crowley:

--- Quote from: metrologist on September 25, 2018, 08:19:58 pm ---I wonder if the people who levied the charges were actual lawyers claiming someone broke the law. Or can only police officers determine that now?
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The people evaluating the photos and sending out the violations were non-government non-law-enforcement 3-rd party contract workers half-way around the world (in Melbourne, Australia)  With the complete complicity of the City of Beaverton, Oregon, USA.

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