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| T3sl4co1l:
--- Quote from: NANDBlog on April 26, 2017, 12:34:07 pm ---I would really like if people without proper degree would stop calling them engineers. I have sworn an oath, just as doctors. They say "do no harm", I said "protect safety and health of people". If you did not do this, you are not entitled to call yourself an engineer, it is unethical. --- End quote --- A degree is not sufficient qualification to represent oneself as a Professional Engineer (P.E.). For example, I make no such representation of myself, other than my job title, and my given legal name (no additional titles). If I were a PE, or Dr, or any other legally regulated profession, I would display that title proudly! Tim |
| coppice:
--- Quote from: NANDBlog on April 26, 2017, 12:34:07 pm ---"In the United States, most states prohibit unlicensed persons from calling themselves an "engineer" or indicating branches or specialities not covered by the licensing acts." "I am allowed to say whatever it is possible to say" is not freedom of speech. He was writing an official letter to the authorities. If he would have signed as Dr. Steve Tailor or Steve Tailor PhD. he could have been fined also, because he is not a doctor. I would really like if people without proper degree would stop calling them engineers. I have sworn an oath, just as doctors. They say "do no harm", I said "protect safety and health of people". If you did not do this, you are not entitled to call yourself an engineer, it is unethical. --- End quote --- Most countries have some set of protected terms for professional skills, although you need to be careful about the exact protected words. For example, in the UK only a registered professional can called themselves a dietician, but any con artist can call themselves a nutritionist. These terms generally have nothing so do with degrees, although certain degrees might be the usual minimum needed for registration. However, few countries have any registration of electronics engineers. There simply is no oath to swear, or title to be awarded. |
| Zero999:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on April 26, 2017, 12:01:35 pm --- --- Quote from: T3sl4co1l on April 26, 2017, 09:22:23 am ---They're free to disregard good advice... that's up to them. But, fining him for calling himself something he never asserted (namely, electrical engineer != civil engineer) is a bit over the top. Hopefully the gov't is biting off more than they can chew, and things turn out for the best... --- End quote --- I hope he fights it, no way I would pay that fine. Insane. --- End quote --- You say that now but in reality, it may just be easier to pay the fine. I understand this is matter of principle, rather than money, but the time, stress, legal fees etc. may make it more trouble than it's worth. |
| GeorgeOfTheJungle:
--- Quote from: NANDBlog on April 26, 2017, 12:34:07 pm ---"I am allowed to say whatever it is possible to say" is not freedom of speech. He was writing an official letter to the authorities. If he would have signed as Dr. Steve Tailor or Steve Tailor PhD. he could have been fined also, because he is not a doctor. I would really like if people without proper degree would stop calling them engineers. I have sworn an oath, just as doctors. They say "do no harm", I said "protect safety and health of people". If you did not do this, you are not entitled to call yourself an engineer, it is unethical. --- End quote --- "A Beaverton man who has a bachelor of science degree in engineering and has repeatedly challenged Oregon's timing of yellow traffic lights as too short was investigated by a state board for "unlicensed practice of engineering'' and fined $500. Now, Mats Järlström has joined with the national Institute for Justice to file a federal civil rights lawsuit against members of the Oregon State Board of Examiners for Engineering and Land Surveying. He contends state law and the board's actions that disallow anyone from using the word "engineer" if they're not an Oregon-licensed professional engineer amount to an "unconstitutional ban on mathematical debate.' [..] Järlström is a Swedish-born electronics engineer. After serving as an airplane-camera mechanic in the Swedish Air Force, he worked for Luxor Electronics and immigrated to the United States in 1992, settling in Oregon. Currently, he's self-employed, testing audio products and repairing and calibrating test instruments. "The First Amendment guarantees to every American their right to debate anything and everything,'' said attorney Samuel Gedge, of the Institute for Justice. "And nobody needs a government permission slip to talk.'' According to the suit, the state board has initiated similar "outrageous'' investigations against others for using the word "engineer,'' including Portland City Commissioner Dan Saltzman: -- In 2014, the board received a complaint that the Voters' Pamphlet described Salatzman's background as "environmental engineer.'' Saltzman earned a bachelor of science degree in environmental and civil engineering from Cornell University, a master of science degree from MIT School of Civil Engineering and membership in the American Society of Civil Engineers. He isn't, however, an Oregon-licensed professional engineer. The board investigated, and nearly a year later, voted to warn Saltzman against using the word "engineer" in incorrect ways, according to board meeting minutes. -- In 2010, an activist told the city council in La Pine that a new power plant would be too loud for nearby neighbors. The board fined the activist $1,000 for "illegal, unlicensed practice of engineering,'' according to board minutes. -- More recently, the board initiated an investigation into the subject of a Portland Monthly article -- a woman immigrant and entrepreneur featured in an online story titled "The incredible story of an engineer behind Portland's newest bridge.'' The board opened an investigation because the woman wasn't a professionally licensed Oregon engineer. The board questioned the writer, who said the woman profiled didn't use the word "engineer" but her editors included it in the headline. The board ultimately found the allegation unfounded. -- A board investigation was launched into Republican gubernatorial candidate Allen Alley based on a complaint that he misused the word "engineer'' in one of his political ads. In the ad, he said he'd take a different approach, noting, "I'm an engineer and a problem solver.'' He earned a bachelor of science in mechanical engineering from Purdue University and worked as an engineer for Ford and Boeing and holds a string of engineering-related awards. But because he's not an Oregon-registered professional engineer, the board launched an investigation that's ongoing 10 months later. [..] " oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/04/beaverton_man_claims_oregon_st.html |
| EEVblog:
--- Quote from: GeorgeOfTheJungle on April 26, 2017, 01:17:00 pm ---oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/04/beaverton_man_claims_oregon_st.html --- End quote --- Utter madness: --- Quote ---According to the suit, the state board has initiated similar "outrageous'' investigations against others for using the word "engineer,'' including Portland City Commissioner Dan Saltzman: -- In 2014, the board received a complaint that the Voters' Pamphlet described Salatzman's background as "environmental engineer.'' Saltzman earned a bachelor of science degree in environmental and civil engineering from Cornell University, a master of science degree from MIT School of Civil Engineering and membership in the American Society of Civil Engineers. He isn't, however, an Oregon-licensed professional engineer. The board investigated, and nearly a year later, voted to warn Saltzman against using the word "engineer" in incorrect ways, according to board meeting minutes. --- End quote --- I can understand using a title bestowed by the Society of Civil Engineers, like P.E or whatever it is, but simply using the word "engineer" when it's both your vocation and the name of your degreed field of study is crazy. |
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