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Man fined for criticizing govt using science, without a license
james_s:
--- Quote from: Hero999 on April 26, 2017, 04:59:03 pm ---I have sworn an oath, just as doctors. They say "do no harm", I said "protect safety and health of people". If you did not do this, you are not entitled to call yourself an engineer, it is unethical.
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When did you do that?
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That would create an interesting dilemma for engineers that design firearms and military equipment.
JPortici:
--- Quote from: Hero999 on April 26, 2017, 04:59:03 pm ---
--- Quote from: NANDBlog on April 26, 2017, 12:34:07 pm ---I would really like if people without proper degree would stop calling them engineers.
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Since when did having a degree may you an engineer?
Is doesn't. Having a combination of theoretical knowledge and practical experience, makes one an engineer. Someone straight out of university, with a highly theoretical engineering degree, yet no practical experience whatsoever is not an engineer. This doesn't mean that they have wasted they're time studying. It's a very good investment, but until they've learned how to apply what they've learnt at university, and probably forgotten over half of it, they aren't really an engineer.
--- Quote ---I have sworn an oath, just as doctors. They say "do no harm", I said "protect safety and health of people". If you did not do this, you are not entitled to call yourself an engineer, it is unethical.
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When did you do that?
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well, we have (had) a term for that. perito (latin, means expert), that's what i am: my high school diploma came from what most people in the world call technical school, but i've seen very few fellow with that kind of degree that were something more that an skilled labourer.. no offence intended, it's just that we were trained to be engineers but without an engineering degree, a different kind of education.
fun fact #1: Unfortunately we are being phased out, around the time i graudated a lot of disastrous school reforms, cutting school hours to get in line with EU (sigh) and redistributing the course so more humanistic hours and less technical hours. labs cut in half, they don't even do chem lab anymore. so sad
fun fact #2 on my last day of high school during the first hours we DID have a "swearing ceremony" that my most hated teacher used to put up. me, i wasn't there, i was playing a gig in another school and arrived a few hours late. I wonder what makes of me...
anyway the ceremony was really simillar to the doctor's oath.
donmr:
--- Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on April 26, 2017, 09:53:09 am ---When people buy electronics, they must be assured it is made by a licensed electronics engineer, and not just someone who happened to learn electronics at home and now calls themselves an electronics engineer.
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Oregon has no license for "Electronics Engineer". I have never heard of a licensing requirement in the US for designers of electronics, semiconductors, computers, etc.
brucehoult:
--- Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on April 26, 2017, 08:02:25 am ---https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/man-fined-dollar500-for-crime-of-writing-i-am-an-engineer-in-an-email-to-the-government
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He mentions turning, but there is also a problem if you pull out of a parking space near a traffic light and enter the intersection at low speed just as the lights go amber. Most cars don't have sufficient acceleration to exit the intersection before the red.
This can also happen if the intersection exit is blocked and you want to enter it, as you should.
tszaboo:
--- Quote from: Hero999 on April 26, 2017, 04:59:03 pm ---
--- Quote from: NANDBlog on April 26, 2017, 12:34:07 pm ---I would really like if people without proper degree would stop calling them engineers.
--- End quote ---
Since when did having a degree may you an engineer?
Is doesn't. Having a combination of theoretical knowledge and practical experience, makes one an engineer. Someone straight out of university, with a highly theoretical engineering degree, yet no practical experience whatsoever is not an engineer. This doesn't mean that they have wasted they're time studying. It's a very good investment, but until they've learned how to apply what they've learnt at university, and probably forgotten over half of it, they aren't really an engineer.
--- Quote ---I have sworn an oath, just as doctors. They say "do no harm", I said "protect safety and health of people". If you did not do this, you are not entitled to call yourself an engineer, it is unethical.
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When did you do that?
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Since my diploma said exactly that, made by a official institute, having the right to declare that I'm an engineer. I swore the oath at the first school year opening ceremony. It's kinda big deal, the university usually has our President invited. So, you say, other countries dont do this?
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