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EEVblog:

--- Quote from: josecamoessilva on April 27, 2017, 03:24:51 am ---When I graduated EECS (circa the Paleozoic), I got a letter from the Portuguese "order of engineers" telling me about all the great things they would do for me and all the things I couldn't do without joining. They wanted more in yearly dues than the IEEE, ACM, and AAAI put together (all of which I was a member of), so I never replied.
One time some representatives of the order were visiting our school for some even day and on a panel discussion one said that "some of your professors aren't real engineers" (because not members of the order) to which I grabbed a mic and asked a few basic EECS questions. The kind that students knew the answer to.
I'll let you guess what happened.  >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
Diplomacy, never my forte.

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 :-+
EEVblog:

--- Quote from: donmr on April 26, 2017, 05:27:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on April 26, 2017, 09:53:09 am ---When people buy electronics, they must be assured it is made by a licensed electronics engineer, and not just someone who happened to learn electronics at home and now calls themselves an electronics engineer.

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Oregon has no license for "Electronics Engineer".  I have never heard of a licensing requirement in the US for designers of electronics, semiconductors, computers, etc.

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Seems there are some naughty employers in Oregon:
https://www.monster.com/jobs/search/?q=electronics-engineer&where=Oregon

Take this example:
Heaps of requirements, but none mention certification!
http://job-openings.monster.com/v2/job/View?JobID=182475293&MESCOID=1700190001001&jobPosition=2
http://job-openings.monster.com/v2/job/View?JobID=183182472&MESCOID=1700190001001&jobPosition=1
http://jobview.monster.com/electronic-electrical-engineer-automotive-job-portland-or-us-182698839.aspx?mescoid=1700169001001&jobPosition=1
EEVblog:

--- Quote from: rstofer on April 26, 2017, 04:35:09 pm ---To the topic at hand:  Of course the state wants him to shut up.  If his calculations are accepted and the previous standards are truly incorrect, the state has considerable exposure.  Not only for excessive citations but possibly for turn lane accidents.  Fining him was not the best way to handle the problem.  Once it gets in the paper, all kinds of things come out of the woodwork.

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Yep, stupid move on their part. They should have just ignored it, or if they are legally obligated to reply, send a thank you for your suggestion note and be done with it.
james_s:

--- Quote from: Monkeh on April 27, 2017, 01:52:22 am ---
--- Quote from: evb149 on April 27, 2017, 01:47:02 am ---Yes, certainly it is the fault of any oncoming vehicle that can't safely stop or maneuver to avoid a static obstacle in the road.

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That does not give drivers the right to randomly create obstacles on a high speed road!

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Stopping to allow wildlife (ducks in this case) to safely pass is not randomly creating obstacles. If someone were to stop to deposit ducks or other obstacles in the highway then I would agree that a crime has been committed, but stopping because something is in the road already to allow it to pass or to remove it from the road is not (or should not be) a crime.
sibeen:
Yeah, the Queensland thing is real in the electrical field. I do quite a lot of designs for a large National company as a consultant. Whenever I do one in Queensland it has to be "actually" designed and signed off by someone who has the relevant certification as a PE.

Just because their designs happen to end up identical to the one that I originally submitted has very little to do with the point.  :)

The only other time I've ever run across it was when designing emergency lighting in a tunnel system. The university that I was doing the job for required a chartered status engineer to sign off on it. I hired someone for a few days to look over my design and put his stamp of approval all over the drawings.
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