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josecamoessilva:
In theory, the idea of a professional certification (like the AMA or ABA) isn't that outlandish; the practice of engineering touches several areas where a bad decision can be catastrophic (bridges and buildings, yes, but also operation of chemical plants, utilities, power distribution networks, cybersecurity).

In practice, though, professional certification of engineering raises many issues. Like, for example, whether and how often is recertification required? AFAIK most of these organizations aren't that keen on alienating dues-paying members by making them face up to the fact that their knowledge is obsolete (what little they didn't forget, that is). 

Or, how are the certification requirements set? This is a problem because once there's some power, even limited power, in a given organization, the type of person who's attracted and who succeeds in those organizations tends to be more interested in politicking than in engineering. (I could go on for a while...)

(I'm not a fan of any organization that operates by force or deception, and guilds and state-enforced licensing requirements tend to mix both. Of course, an employer may require this certification or that license, but that's a voluntary transaction.)

As far as I know there was never a case like the OP in Portugal, but one of the things that the "order of engineers" said I couldn't do was to call myself "an engineer." Seriously, the letter said that I had to call myself a "graduate from [my school's] engineering program." So, Oregon isn't alone.
kaz911:
I would prefer if organisation licensed engineers - was required to put in their license giver - so "Licensed/Certified Engineer by IEEE" or something like that. Right now the title of engineer is so watered down and differs from country to country.

So don't hog the generic title but show the license agency with the title if you need to. Doctors should have to do the same.

And then maybe add when they wore certified. I know many "engineers" where their knowledge have expired long ago - and are still stuck in 1970's. And quite a few "Doctors" as well...??
Zero999:

--- Quote from: james_s on April 26, 2017, 09:26:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: brucehoult on April 26, 2017, 08:55:41 pm ---I made the comment about being legally allowed to stop.

Of course emergency stops in the middle of the road for little apparent reason might not be prudent. Especially if you're a motorcyclist, as I am (with around half a million km behind me). I keep an eye on who is behind me, and if anyone is closer than I'm comfortable with I pull over and let them past. And then if they drive slower in front of me than they did behind me (surprisingly often) I overtake them again and repeat as many times as necessary until they damn well stop being stupid.

I've been in cars that have been rear-ended twice. Both times as a passenger with the same driver.

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I used to work with a guy who had a prosthetic leg due to some idiot running a red light while he was on a motorcycle. That and having been rear ended a number of times in my car has been enough to keep me from getting a motorcycle though they look like a lot of fun. Some days it just feels like the universe is trying to kill me.

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Talking of red lights.

As a motorcyclist myself, I often get frustrated because my bike is too small for some traffic lights to detect. This means that I sometimes have to run a red, otherwise wait indefinitely because it will never turn green. I had to do this last night at some temporary lights. I'd been waiting there for over 5 minutes, there was nothing coming the other way and a queue of traffic was building up behind me. In the end I preceded with caution. When I got through the lights and checked my rear view mirror the other side was red too!
EEVblog:

--- Quote from: sibeen on April 27, 2017, 05:51:00 am ---Yeah, the Queensland thing is real in the electrical field. I do quite a lot of designs for a large National company as a consultant. Whenever I do one in Queensland it has to be "actually" designed and signed off by someone who has the relevant certification as a PE.

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So it's only the "electrical" (mains/grid stuff?) field and not "electronics"?
I presume that if it included electronics PCB design then I would have heard about this long ago.
EEVblog:

--- Quote from: josecamoessilva on April 27, 2017, 06:29:11 am ---As far as I know there was never a case like the OP in Portugal, but one of the things that the "order of engineers" said I couldn't do was to call myself "an engineer." Seriously, the letter said that I had to call myself a "graduate from [my school's] engineering program." So, Oregon isn't alone.

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Wow, we just take our "engineering freedom" for granted here I guess!
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