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Massive EV cement truck fire: official 'explanation' versus the facts.

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tom66:

--- Quote from: johansen on December 24, 2023, 03:00:42 am ---How many battery packs has tesla swapped out to cut the fire risk?.

And now many are recalled has no bearing on how many have caught fire....

A times b times c equals x. If x is less than the cost of a recall...we dont do one.

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Tesla has never had a recall due to battery fire risk except for the mechanical impact issue on older Model S, which was fixed by bolting a large block of titanium to the front of the battery pack so that road debris does not cause cell damage.

Gyro:

--- Quote from: EPAIII on December 24, 2023, 05:24:24 am ---...
The fact that the owner was present and that it was a busy parking building did NOTHING to stop the disaster. You also have actually helped my point. The fire department would need to be there within a minute or two after that first cell caught fire. And even then, they may not have been able to stop it. Thanks for helping to make my point.

As for it being a diesel, I believe the powers-that-be are emphasizing that word instead of saying it was some kind of hybrid which did have a lithium based battery - a big one.

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Oh FFS, it was a bog standard 3 litre Diesel, tom66 looked up the registration plate on the UK DVLA website! Stop trying to distort FACTS |O

EPAIII:
If I was distorting facts, I apologize.

Have you ever seen diesel fuel burn? I have and those videos looked nothing like it. And a standard extinguisher should have had no problem putting it out. But, if it was reported as a pure diesel, then believe it if you will. I just don't know. And I really don't trust everything that is reported, just because it is reported.

tom66:

--- Quote from: EPAIII on December 24, 2023, 02:05:08 pm ---If I was distorting facts, I apologize.

Have you ever seen diesel fuel burn? I have and those videos looked nothing like it. And a standard extinguisher should have had no problem putting it out. But, if it was reported as a pure diesel, then believe it if you will. I just don't know. And I really don't trust everything that is reported, just because it is reported.

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You're not the first person who has conflated a diesel car fire with a diesel *fuel* fire.  There's plenty of things on a modern diesel or petrol car that can burn that don't involve fuel or fuel systems.  For instance, if the DPF is plugged and the computer hasn't recognised this condition, it's possible for exhaust components to get hot enough to ignite adjacent parts.  Alternatively, it could have been a 12V electrical system fault or a seized brake.  Or the owner might have smoked a cigarette and dropped it in the interior without realising.   It really only takes some plastic, interior fabrics, coolant, ATF/oil or fuel then to feed the fire and you have a full vehicle fire.

It's not much different to a BEV in that case really. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of BEV fires have nothing to do with the main battery.  Obviously once the vehicle is fully involved the battery can begin to contribute.

JPortici:

--- Quote from: johansen on December 24, 2023, 02:47:55 am ---
--- Quote from: thm_w on December 20, 2023, 10:19:19 pm ---Gas vehicles are far more likely to catch fire than EVs, on the order of 7-40x more likely. Commercial trucks are disproportionally a larger percent of those fires.

https://www.warpnews.org/transportation/fewer-fires-in-electric-cars-compared-to-fossil-fueled-cars-in-the-worlds-country-with-the-highest-share-of-electric-cars/
https://rib.msb.se/filer/pdf/29438.pdf
https://rosap.ntl.bts.gov/view/dot/9671

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what makes hybrid cars safer than gasoline cars?
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they aren't


--- Quote ---they have all the complexity of a gas, and electric.. in one?!
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because of that. Little engines pushed to the limit, crazy high temperatures, plus a small electric drive also pushed to the limit and small li-ion pack crammed somewhere. What could possibly go wrong?


--- Quote ---i can't even remember a news article mentioning a gasoline or diesel car fire.

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unfortunately, they do catch fire a lot but it's rarely reported. EV catching fire is better news.
In the comments above you have probably links to ford and the RHD kuga. jesus christ  :palm:

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