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'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts
SilverSolder:
Photoshop has the words "Black" and "White" all over the place, even extremely prejudicial phrases like "100% White" and "100% Black"! And there is "Red", which discriminates against certain political persuasions or perhaps North American Indians. Then there is the over-use of "Yellow", which surely must be offensive to Asian people, or people with low levels of courage.
Is Adobe aware of the need to drop this patriarchal cultural legacy that is harming so many??
TimFox:
Maybe we should adopt mnemonic euphemisms for the spectral colors, starting with "Roy" for red.
PlainName:
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--- Quote from: nuclearcat on July 04, 2020, 05:43:33 pm ---Now BlackHat turn.
https://twitter.com/DaveKSecure/status/1279194355585085440
and this guy works at Google...
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BlackHat: I wonder what kind of dumb it takes to confuse a hat with a person?
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I have no idea! Since they also want to ban the terms blacklist and whitelist I'd assume they are going after white hats and grey hats too. Again, they aren't understanding their own native language, i.e. words can have multiple meanings based on the context. Another sad thing is that they ignore the origin of words. The 'black' in blacklist and black hat comes from black being the darkest color symbolizing night and bad things. Remember the superstition of seeing a black cat? That meaning of black goes back to the early days, long before black slaves were imported into America. Does banning specific words fix racism? No, it doesn't because words aren't racist but some humans are.
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if you (all) read his tweets you'd see that he is fully aware that 'blackhat/list/whatever' has nothing to do with a person per se, and words have different meanings depending on context. The context he is concerned with is simply where there is a negative connotation: black implies bad.
He then goes on to associate that badness with a person: because a person is labelled 'black' he (or she, to be PC) acquires the negative context. I think that's a pretty good example of how racism works, so he kind of shoots himself in both feet there. However, don't make the mistake of trying to make him look a fool for made-up stuff (like 'confusing a hat with a person' and 'going after greylist') because that risks people stopping listening to you.
Simon:
again it's context and if words are used in a different context they can become offensive or rather be used offensively. Just because a knife can cause serious injury or death does not stop us using these "deadly tools" for non deadly purposes.
Kjelt:
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if you (all) read his tweets you'd see that he is fully aware that 'blackhat/list/whatever' has nothing to do with a person per se, and words have different meanings depending on context. The context he is concerned with is simply where there is a negative connotation: black implies bad.
He then goes on to associate that badness with a person: because a person is labelled 'black' he (or she, to be PC) acquires the negative context. I think that's a pretty good example of how racism works, so he kind of shoots himself in both feet there. However, don't make the mistake of trying to make him look a fool for made-up stuff (like 'confusing a hat with a person' and 'going after greylist') because that risks people stopping listening to you.
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Then the solution is simple don't use the word black for describing afro american people which can be taken as racial itself and it is solved.
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