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| coppice:
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on July 07, 2020, 01:38:50 pm ---Even is Stephen Hsu is right about the statistics, he was an idiot for bringing it up while videos of obvious police brutality was circulating. One powerful anecdote is more upsetting to people than reams of statistics. Basically, he more than likely ended up fired for being an idiot courting controversy, not necessarily for the facts of the statistics themselves. --- End quote --- That's an interesting pro-lynch mob point of view. We are at the current point due to years of people pandering to those spouting anecotes and myths, and making research, facts, and analysis dirty words. Stephen Hsu was foolish if his job meant anything to him, as he has seen people all around him people suffering for simply stating basic supportable information. However, what he did was the right thing for someone brave enough to do. |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: maginnovision on July 07, 2020, 04:53:59 pm ---The Hodge twins once told a story that one of them got pulled over for speeding 3 times in one day. It was because of racism... No wait it was that he was speeding. But he might have thought it was racism at the time because he had a poor mindset(victim mentality). They stopped thinking that way and things got better. It's not applicable to one race though. The same mindset pervades poor white people, poor Hispanics... If you think you can't change anything and people are keeping you from success you'll react accordingly and usually make things worse. It's the real problem with many people and communities that feel underprivileged. It's literally in their heads and nobody is stopping them from doing their best except themselves. --- End quote --- I've seen this play out multiple times with several different (white) friends. One in particular, he was always the victim, I watched him make poor choices over and over and over again, he never learned and never changed because it was never his fault, always something or someone else. Another was always struggling financially, she was not stupid overall but she just didn't get it, constantly complained about the world, if she'd spent half the effort trying to better her situation as she spent complaining she would have been in a lot better shape. She'd be behind on the rent and then spend money on some stupid thing and I'd say what the hell are you doing wasting money on that when you can't pay the rent and she'd respond along the lines of "I'm already behind anyway, another $20 isn't going to matter!" :palm: |
| coppice:
--- Quote from: james_s on July 07, 2020, 04:56:08 pm ---I kind of suspect that most of the people who see racism everywhere they look are simply projecting their own racism on everyone else. --- End quote --- You don't have to suspect this. In books like Robin DiAngelo's White Fragility she spells out in great detail how she sees all sorts of racist badness in herself. Badness most of us would agree with as she describes it. Being wedded to the idea of intersectional group indentites, rather than individual responsibility, she projects this badness out to anyone white, or simply not quite brown enough to be clearly black. |
| SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: coppice on July 07, 2020, 04:59:09 pm --- --- Quote from: SilverSolder on July 07, 2020, 01:38:50 pm ---Even is Stephen Hsu is right about the statistics, he was an idiot for bringing it up while videos of obvious police brutality was circulating. One powerful anecdote is more upsetting to people than reams of statistics. Basically, he more than likely ended up fired for being an idiot courting controversy, not necessarily for the facts of the statistics themselves. --- End quote --- That's an interesting pro-lynch mob point of view. We are at the current point due to years of people pandering to those spouting anecotes and myths, and making research, facts, and analysis dirty words. Stephen Hsu was foolish if his job meant anything to him, as he has seen people all around him people suffering for simply stating basic supportable information. However, what he did was the right thing for someone brave enough to do. --- End quote --- I thought we are at the current point due to unprofessional conduct by police officers performing an arrest and ending up killing the suspect? If you ignore relevant context, you are not suitable for a senior leading position. There's no shame in that, few are. This is the problem Hsu ran into. |
| madires:
--- Quote from: coppice on July 07, 2020, 04:46:14 pm ---Why would you expect people to be killed in proportion to their number in a fair society? Some groups have far more interactions with the police. The number of black and white people killed by the police in the US is roughly in line with the number of interactions their group has with the police. The interesting question is why black people have far more interactions with the police in the US. --- End quote --- That's a very interesting point! I think there is a possible problem with misunderstanding statistics as racism. Over here we have a similar issue with citizens of a specific country in the EU. If you are a police officer and it turns out when you're checking citizens of country X that 8 of 10 (just as an example) committed an offense and you check those more often and more thorough, is that because of statistics or are you racist? |
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