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| coppice:
--- Quote from: james_s on July 07, 2020, 05:01:52 pm --- --- Quote from: maginnovision on July 07, 2020, 04:53:59 pm ---The Hodge twins once told a story that one of them got pulled over for speeding 3 times in one day. It was because of racism... No wait it was that he was speeding. But he might have thought it was racism at the time because he had a poor mindset(victim mentality). They stopped thinking that way and things got better. It's not applicable to one race though. The same mindset pervades poor white people, poor Hispanics... If you think you can't change anything and people are keeping you from success you'll react accordingly and usually make things worse. It's the real problem with many people and communities that feel underprivileged. It's literally in their heads and nobody is stopping them from doing their best except themselves. --- End quote --- I've seen this play out multiple times with several different (white) friends. One in particular, he was always the victim, I watched him make poor choices over and over and over again, he never learned and never changed because it was never his fault, always something or someone else. Another was always struggling financially, she was not stupid overall but she just didn't get it, constantly complained about the world, if she'd spent half the effort trying to better her situation as she spent complaining she would have been in a lot better shape. She'd be behind on the rent and then spend money on some stupid thing and I'd say what the hell are you doing wasting money on that when you can't pay the rent and she'd respond along the lines of "I'm already behind anyway, another $20 isn't going to matter!" :palm: --- End quote --- You will see the same thing if you go to a mind reading show. The magician (or con artist, depending on the exact nature of the show) will tell someone things they think the magician couldn't possibly know. An independently minded observer can usually see how the subject was basically waving a big flag with the information on it. |
| SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: madires on July 07, 2020, 05:10:08 pm --- --- Quote from: coppice on July 07, 2020, 04:46:14 pm ---Why would you expect people to be killed in proportion to their number in a fair society? Some groups have far more interactions with the police. The number of black and white people killed by the police in the US is roughly in line with the number of interactions their group has with the police. The interesting question is why black people have far more interactions with the police in the US. --- End quote --- That's a very interesting point! I think there is a possible problem with misunderstanding statistics as racism. Over here we have a similar issue with citizens of a specific country in the EU. If you are a police officer and it turns out when you're checking citizens of country X that 8 of 10 (just as an example) committed an offense and you check those more often and more thorough, is that because of statistics or are you racist? --- End quote --- It is part of the human condition to jump to conclusions based on what we see. I get an entirely different reaction from people when I go to the park on a Harley, dressed in leathers and chains, than I do when driving there in a cute Citroen 2CV with an "Atomic Power - No Thanks" bumper sticker and a small child in the passenger seat... |
| Nominal Animal:
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on July 07, 2020, 04:18:20 pm --- --- Quote from: madires on July 07, 2020, 02:52:16 pm --- --- Quote from: SilverSolder on July 07, 2020, 01:38:50 pm ---Even is Stephen Hsu is right about the statistics, he was an idiot for bringing it up while videos of obvious police brutality was circulating. One powerful anecdote is more upsetting to people than reams of statistics. Basically, he more than likely ended up fired for being an idiot courting controversy, not necessarily for the facts of the statistics themselves. --- End quote --- Possibly. Still, what happened with scientific disputes, free speech and the US constitution? Suddenly gone? The student's union has become an oppressive regime, something they maybe haven't intended while all the good intentions changed into the opposite. --- End quote --- You are right, but again, a senior person in a leading position of an institution.... using your entire brain is not optional! --- End quote --- Not just an institution, a university. Their very purpose is to challenge and to discuss scientific research. The idea that university professors should "not rock the boat", should not talk about published articles if their content is against some prevailing winds is utterly repulsive to me; it's like giving a pass to cheating students because the entire academic review is just too much hassle. Remember: the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. If professors "should not" talk about published articles that are pertinent to the topics discussed, who could do it, then? Nobody? Fuck that. |
| SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on July 07, 2020, 08:40:44 pm --- --- Quote from: SilverSolder on July 07, 2020, 04:18:20 pm --- --- Quote from: madires on July 07, 2020, 02:52:16 pm --- --- Quote from: SilverSolder on July 07, 2020, 01:38:50 pm ---Even is Stephen Hsu is right about the statistics, he was an idiot for bringing it up while videos of obvious police brutality was circulating. One powerful anecdote is more upsetting to people than reams of statistics. Basically, he more than likely ended up fired for being an idiot courting controversy, not necessarily for the facts of the statistics themselves. --- End quote --- Possibly. Still, what happened with scientific disputes, free speech and the US constitution? Suddenly gone? The student's union has become an oppressive regime, something they maybe haven't intended while all the good intentions changed into the opposite. --- End quote --- You are right, but again, a senior person in a leading position of an institution.... using your entire brain is not optional! --- End quote --- Not just an institution, a university. Their very purpose is to challenge and to discuss scientific research. The idea that university professors should "not rock the boat", should not talk about published articles if their content is against some prevailing winds is utterly repulsive to me; it's like giving a pass to cheating students because the entire academic review is just too much hassle. Remember: the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. If professors "should not" talk about published articles that are pertinent to the topics discussed, who could do it, then? Nobody? Fuck that. --- End quote --- Again, you are 100% right. Nevertheless, social progress and the advance of knowledge moves slowly. It took more than 350 years before Pope John Paul II apologized for the Roman Catholic Church's condemnation of Galileo in 1633 for using his telescope to prove that the Earth moves around the Sun, which the Church regarded as heresy. By the end of his trial, Galileo was forced to recant his own scientific findings as "abjured, cursed and detested," a renunciation that caused him great personal anguish but which saved him from being burned at the stake and instead accept house arrest for eight years before his death in 1642 at the age of 77. There is something to learn from this story, both for the Galileos and the Popes among us... |
| John B:
Wasn't Trump threatening to remove funding for US universities that didn't uphold constitutional ideals? If he made good on his threats, most of this academic censorship would be eliminated in short order. Many universities seem to be more like churches with hedonistic excesses. Priests who gleefully dictate morality to the public whilst being overly concerned with the quality of their silk robes and comfortable lifestyles..... |
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