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EEVblog:

--- Quote from: james_s on July 08, 2020, 01:46:02 am ---The whole cancel culture thing is deeply worrying, and I'm sure it will not be long before it is eating their own.

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There are already countless examples of that happening. J.K.Rowling is but one high profile example. She was the darling of the identity politics crowd, and then the next day, canceled.

SkyMaster:

--- Quote from: coppice on July 07, 2020, 04:46:14 pm ---
Why would you expect people to be killed in proportion to their number in a fair society? Some groups have far more interactions with the police. The number of black and white people killed by the police in the US is roughly in line with the number of interactions their group has with the police. The interesting question is why black people have far more interactions with the police in the US.

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To answer your last question, maybe this is the resultant of 250 years of slavery, followed by 100 years of constitutional segregation that only officially ended in the '50s and inequality that continued long after...

These American people had a very difficult life for a long time (350 years), and this could play a part in the rebellious attitude of some individuals.

If I was in their shoes, I would probably have a rebellious attitude.

 :-\

Kjelt:

--- Quote from: SkyMaster on July 08, 2020, 02:19:17 am ---To answer your last question, maybe this is the resultant of 250 years of slavery, followed by 100 years of constitutional segregation that only officially ended in the '50s and inequality that continued long after...

These American people had a very difficult life for a long time (350 years), and this could play a part in the rebellious attitude of some individuals.

If I was in their shoes, I would probably have a rebellious attitude.

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I don't agree, I think it depends on their personal situation and corresponding mindset.
The persons that did well and made a good living for themselves and family don't have that "anger" unless indeed they are the victim of racism.

What could play a large role is the induced mindset from the parents. I had a mother that was put in a japanese camp in Indonesia in WW2 when she was 11 to 15 yrs old under harsh conditions. She was afraid of crowds and go to public places the rest of her life. That was induced to me and my brothers, it is well known as second generation camp syndrome. The jewish people that survived the concentration camps in WW2 had this in an even much severe way, I have been lucky to have known a man who survived Auschwitz and been to his funeral and heard his children speak awfull things and I realized that this was induced upbringing.

 I can elaborate on that but for this topic it suffices to say that IMHO the situation of your parents while raising kids is very important in how these kids stand in life, and even then when they become adults they have to choose, do I want to be a victim and play that role or do I want to do everything I can to make it. If they choose the latter and are obstructed in those goals by real racist contra forces then they have all the right imo to complain and protest (as long as they do their best to keep it from their children  ;) ). And the latter, the real racism should be the topic and should be abolished. What happened in once family 200 years ago or 75 years ago is the past and you have the choice to (re-)live the past and hang in it or live for the future and try to do your best.
Just my 2 cents.

PS: I heard in some interviews that parents teach their children from young age to be very afraid of the police because they are evil and instruct them to comply.
What do you think that this results in ? How can there ever be a balanced trustworthy interaction when their mind is already so preprogrammed? This is probably very controversial because the parents want to protect their children by doing that but think about it what it teaches their children.

magic:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 07, 2020, 09:50:31 am ---It's no coincidence the word black, rather than African or even brown, were originally chosen to describe Africans, because it has negative connotations.
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--- Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on July 07, 2020, 04:31:37 pm ---Historically races  mixed and treated equally.

It wasn't until Europeans were looking for excuses to go colonising and enslaving other continents, that the idea of white supremacy was created to justify it
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:popcorn:


--- Quote from: coppice on July 07, 2020, 04:46:14 pm ---Why would you expect people to be killed in proportion to their number in a fair society? Some groups have far more interactions with the police.

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In a fair society all groups would have equal interactions with the police.
That's the end goal of liberalism; some folks are just getting impatient.


--- Quote from: james_s on July 07, 2020, 04:56:08 pm ---My first impression on most of the police incidents is that they were not racially targeted because why would the police target people of a particular race? I mean I wouldn't, I'd target people who are committing crimes, that's what the police are supposed to do and from what I see, it's what most of them are doing.

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That's indeed a projection ;)

When you look at that latest video, it seems like the motivation was to make a show of him being a drug junkie. They probably thought it was very funny when he cried for his momma, but kinda unluckily this time he kicked the bucket while under one officer's knee and now a 2nd degree murder charge, oopsie.

That's not just "targeting" criminals, it's a deep kind of hatred for the pathological society he probably grew up in and total disregard for those who lack the strength and/or motivation to raise above the filth. It happens.


--- Quote from: james_s on July 07, 2020, 10:36:52 pm ---I don't wanna get all political but that's half the problem I have with that guy, he's constantly waving his dick around and making empty threats and rarely follows through. Wish he'd learn to shut his mouth sometimes, and under-promise but I don't think he's ever going to figure that out.

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Either he says that stuff just to gauge public opinion (people will never honestly tell you what you they think about something unless you actually do / pretend to do it) or is an idiot. Possibly both, but honestly, I don't envy anyone trying to run that United Trainwreck of America at this point ;)

Fred Basset:

--- Quote from: tggzzz on July 07, 2020, 10:55:58 am ---
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on July 07, 2020, 10:35:56 am ---I remember a TV show called Love Thy Neighbor.

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That always was grim, but there was one that was even worse: "Mind Your Language".

The BBC is, I believe, not showing the classic "Till Death Us Do Part" due to racism concerns. Apparently audiences nowadays are to dim to realise that Alf Garnett's frequent racist statements are designed to show that racism is wrong and stupid.

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I found Alf very sad, even when he got a gay black carer (remember after one of his rants, he just bent Alf's bare head forward and kissed him right in the middle of it?).

I loved Love Thy Neighbour as a kid, I found even better was Mind Your Language.  Full of stereotypes, but so is maths...we call them averages.

I am lucky enough to have MYL on DVD, along with all series of Please Sir!.  Want to talk disturbing?  Do you remember the first series of "Please Sir!"?  They were an hour long and they were meant to be 11 years old.  The one who had a crush on the teacher had a LOT more than a crush on him.  It was sexually explicit in places.  By the second series it was half an hour long, and it had been toned down to a crush.

At what point doesw anyone draw the line?  I used to love them when they were broadcast, but then I was a child and did not see things the way I do now.  I still like them and find them funny, but maybe that is because I remember them when they were taken at face value, and not all the things read into them that we do now?

For years people had to defend Love Thy Neighbour as showing how stupid racism was.

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