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GeorgeOfTheJungle:

--- Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on July 07, 2020, 04:31:37 pm ---It wasn't until Europeans were looking for excuses to go colonising and enslaving other continents, that the idea of white supremacy was created to justify it, backed up by bogus theology and science.

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Yeah but in the modern era colonialism, when they were still running semi naked in the serengeti, the gap with the europeans was truly absolutely abysmal.

tom66:

--- Quote from: james_s on July 08, 2020, 01:46:02 am ---The whole cancel culture thing is deeply worrying, and I'm sure it will not be long before it is eating their own. People jump on board with it but sooner or later something will come up that affects them, almost nobody will have lived their whole life without ever uttering something objectionable, whether out of anger, ignorance, or simply words that someone else can interpret in a way other than what they meant. People like to bring up that the first amendment protects freedom of speech but not freedom from consequences, and that it only protects you from the government punishing you but that's rather disingenuous as free speech is useless if the mob will convict and sentence you. It's a very toxic environment when people are afraid to merely play devil's advocate, question a narrative, or even be seen as not fanatical enough in supporting a cause. Absolutely nobody has their mind changed by force, try to punish a person or group for holding an opinion and you might superficially silence them or even destroy that individual but at the same time you validate their stance and they and those like them will dig in their heals. With a more gentle approach one can create an ally, people do change their opinion on various matters as I have myself at times, it's called personal growth. If you manage to "cancel" them all you've created is a bitter unemployed person who is likely to ally with others who are even more extreme than they are. It's just a bad situation all around and I don't see it getting any better for a while.

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Talking about "eating their own" but in the UK the Labour party recently sacked one of their left-wing "shadow" ministers for re-tweeting something that claimed that Israeli special forces were behind the training that American police officers used, which resulted in the death of George Floyd.

The left wing of the party were in uproar because this is exactly the sort of "cancel culture" that they were going for but it was against one of their own.  They claimed that because she didn't say Jewish but Israel that she was not racist, but they were not heard out.  *This* is the consequence of your decision to permit absolutely no ambiguity or fine-grain decision making.  It's quite beautiful.

SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: tom66 on July 08, 2020, 08:44:37 am ---
--- Quote from: james_s on July 08, 2020, 01:46:02 am ---The whole cancel culture thing is deeply worrying, and I'm sure it will not be long before it is eating their own. People jump on board with it but sooner or later something will come up that affects them, almost nobody will have lived their whole life without ever uttering something objectionable, whether out of anger, ignorance, or simply words that someone else can interpret in a way other than what they meant. People like to bring up that the first amendment protects freedom of speech but not freedom from consequences, and that it only protects you from the government punishing you but that's rather disingenuous as free speech is useless if the mob will convict and sentence you. It's a very toxic environment when people are afraid to merely play devil's advocate, question a narrative, or even be seen as not fanatical enough in supporting a cause. Absolutely nobody has their mind changed by force, try to punish a person or group for holding an opinion and you might superficially silence them or even destroy that individual but at the same time you validate their stance and they and those like them will dig in their heals. With a more gentle approach one can create an ally, people do change their opinion on various matters as I have myself at times, it's called personal growth. If you manage to "cancel" them all you've created is a bitter unemployed person who is likely to ally with others who are even more extreme than they are. It's just a bad situation all around and I don't see it getting any better for a while.

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Talking about "eating their own" but in the UK the Labour party recently sacked one of their left-wing "shadow" ministers for re-tweeting something that claimed that Israeli special forces were behind the training that American police officers used, which resulted in the death of George Floyd.

The left wing of the party were in uproar because this is exactly the sort of "cancel culture" that they were going for but it was against one of their own.  They claimed that because she didn't say Jewish but Israel that she was not racist, but they were not heard out.  *This* is the consequence of your decision to permit absolutely no ambiguity or fine-grain decision making.  It's quite beautiful.

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What the loudmouths on both sides of the political divide seem to have difficulty understanding is: 
You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts!

Connecteur:
Whomever decided to assign genders to connectors must have been drinking that day.

tggzzz:

--- Quote from: Connecteur on July 08, 2020, 01:17:19 pm ---Whomever decided to assign genders to connectors must have been drinking that day.

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You must be young.

What do you think of the colloquial name for three-prong pliers, as indicated on Wholesale Engineering Supplies webpage?

Or people being told to push a button by the phrase "push the tit".

And then there are names for Thinkpad's "red dot mouse". One is close to the button, another is close to the pliers. No, I am not going to engage in discussion of that topic!

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